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re: Was Luke Skywalker the greatest of all Jedi?
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:31 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:31 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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No, it wasn't which is why they picked it, and because of Lando.
The whole travel time thought exercise gets more complicated when you think that they left Hoth at sub-light and made it to the asteroid field. Luke travels to Dagobah, trains with Yoda for some time (weeks? months?), and has a premonition about what happens at Cloud City then leaves.
How long were they in the worm inside the asteroid? When does Luke Leave Dagobah in relation to the events on Cloud City to make it there as Boba Fett is leaving with Han?
Maybe I'm thinking too much about this? Haha. The reason I think the time is important is when it comes training and bonding of the characters.
I admit that the timelines seem to be off on Empire, but I'm just willing to accept that they were in the worm for weeks while Vader hunted outside, and then it took them a few weeks to make it to Bespin. I think when Luke detects them in danger, Han and Leia are being tortured by Vader at that very moment.
The timelines are off in the same way they are in the book "The Two Towers". It just makes narrative sense to jump around on the timeline a bit in the middle. I think once Luke senses it, he is at Bespin within a day or two since he has a warp drive. Han and Leia don't, so Vader can regardless of his location can be there much more quickly than they can.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 10:38 pm
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Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:40 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm just willing to accept that they were in the worm for weeks while Vader hunted outside, and then it took them a few weeks to make it to Bespin. I think when Luke detects them in danger, Han and Leia are being tortured by Vader at that very moment
That's what I'm thinking too. Could also be more in the future too. Maybe Luke is seeing that while they are still in the worm or traveling to Bespin.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 10:57 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Past, future, things that may be, those are what you may see when you are at peace with the force
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:21 pm to LeonPhelps
quote:quote:This is so far from being a correct statement that I don't even know where to begin. I'll assume you prefer to be babied and hate tough mentors. You must be a millennial.
Except for the fact that he treated Anakin like crap and helped turn him ax crazy.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:22 pm to RollTide1987
The Luke Skywalker of the end of RoTJ would be slaughtered by practically any PT jedi.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:28 pm to BulldogXero
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The Luke Skywalker of the end of RoTJ would be slaughtered by practically any PT jedi.
Yeah, Luke didn't show up to practice for all the dance routines that the characters clearly practiced for hours before getting in front of the cameras.
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:34 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, Luke didn't show up to practice for all the dance routines that the characters clearly practiced for hours before getting in front of the cameras.
To say nothing of force powers, who would've taught Luke how to wield a lightsaber with both Yoda and Obi-Wan dead? In the beginning of RoTJ, he's basically swinging the lightsaber like it's a baseball bat and his only duel is against a machine-man that can barely move and who was probably holding back.
In the 30 years since RoTJ ended, who is to say Luke hasn't become much more proficient with force powers and lightsaber technique, but Luke at the end of the original trilogy has all of the potential but none of the experience. He is essentially sub-padawan level.
This post was edited on 11/17/15 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/17/15 at 11:35 pm to BulldogXero
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The Luke Skywalker of the end of RoTJ would be slaughtered by practically any PT jedi.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:00 am to BulldogXero
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To say nothing of force powers, who would've taught Luke how to wield a lightsaber with both Yoda and Obi-Wan dead? In the beginning of RoTJ, he's basically swinging the lightsaber like it's a baseball bat and his only duel is against a machine-man that can barely move and who was probably holding back.
In the 30 years since RoTJ ended, who is to say Luke hasn't become much more proficient with force powers and lightsaber technique, but Luke at the end of the original trilogy has all of the potential but none of the experience. He is essentially sub-padawan level.
I'm not saying that isn't the case, I'm just saying that the lightsaber duels were way over-the-top and clearly were shot by someone who doesn't understand how action actually works. There was no tension on any of those lightsaber fights in the prequels and it looks ridiculously rehearsed. It just feels completely fake. Watch one of the past 3 Mission Impossible movies if you want to see how organic action is supposed to work.
You could do something like that in Star Wars, and it's a reason why I think they've made Kylo's lightsaber the way it is. He clearly has to calculate any strike he's going to make in order not to chop his wrists off. That and what his character is actually about is why they did it. I think this movie will remind audiences what lightsaber fights are about and not pointless blows I can't even count. A good action scene I feel every blow.
Let's compare these two scenes, and I will give each one 40 seconds. In the first one it's Anakin vs Obi Wan. I count a total of 78 blows in 40 seconds: LINK. No fricking way can anyone keep up with that and I'm not sure if I missed a blow or two.
Now here's Luke vs Vader in Return of the Jedi. 30 blows in 40 seconds: LINK.
Do you see how much a difference that makes? You can feel every blow Luke makes to Vader. That's less than a hit per second, and I can keep up with that. 2 for every second makes me think it's not only impossible, but it's choreographed. If you're going that quickly, someone is bound to frick up solely due to the recklessness of the situation at hand. I'm pretty sure that JJ is going to go for slower more intense fights in this because he gets that builds tension, not just incredibly quick sequences no one can really keep up with.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 12:01 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:26 am to OMLandshark
Yeah, the lightside me duels in the prequels absolutely sucked. They felt fake. It didn't feel like real combat.
The Jedi could sense what their opponent was about to do but they weren't fricking superheroes. I thought the original trilogy did a good job of balencing that.
The Jedi could sense what their opponent was about to do but they weren't fricking superheroes. I thought the original trilogy did a good job of balencing that.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 3:17 am to raceboy
#BlackJediLivesMatter
Posted on 11/18/15 at 5:41 am to raceboy
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1. Yoda
2. Anakin
3. Obi Wan
4. Luke
5. Samuel Jackson
Mace is the only one to defeat the great palpatine in a fight.
Yoda couldn't, and wouldn't even let obi wan attempt it at end of ROTS.
1. Yoda
2. Sammy
3. Anakin
4. Obi Wan
29. Luke (who didn't even Learn until adulthood. What a noob. Jedi usually start training as small children.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 5:43 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:32 am to Antpile Tea Bagger
Sammy should have sensed Anakin turning. Not much in the force if he couldn't see it coming as Yoda and Ovi Wan could. While he's got,Ole Palp defeated, if he was strong with the force, he would have sensed Ani about to whip his arse.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:45 am to athenslife101
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This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:46 am to raceboy
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Sammy should have sensed Anakin turning. Not much in the force if he couldn't see it coming as Yoda and Ovi Wan could. While he's got,Ole Palp defeated, if he was strong with the force, he would have sensed Ani about to whip his arse
In Windu's defense, he was fave to face with the most "dark sided" person in the galaxy. Might have missed out on sensing Anakin's fall due to that.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:37 am to Antpile Tea Bagger
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Mace is the only one to defeat the great palpatine in a fight.
Yoda couldn't, and wouldn't even let obi wan attempt it at end of ROTS.
You have to wonder if Palpatine threw that fight as part of his plan to turn Anakin. He killed the other two Jedi ridiculously easy, and then allowed himself to be scarred to play on Anakin's emotions.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:37 am to Freauxzen
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Dooku
His rank is up for debate, but it would have to be pretty high. He left the Jedi order at some point, obviously. But, he was trained as Yoda's padawan. He trained Qui Gon, and he beat Obi Wan twice head to head in the prequels. However, he lost handily to Anakin in Episode III. Of course, you can say he was an old man at that point so his skills were probably somewhat diminished, and Anakin was using his obvious hate for Dooku, which gave him more focus.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:45 am to Master of Sinanju
I really wish they would redo the prequeals. The action sucked the movies lacked any tension and Anakin's turn was an absolute joke.
Yoda should have never had a lightsaber.
Yoda should have never had a lightsaber.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:00 am to saintsfan92612
This thread is killing it. Between the football player comparisons, Mace Dindu, the rankings, and good points like this
this is actually solid entertainment by TD standards.
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Yoda should have never had a lightsaber.
this is actually solid entertainment by TD standards.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:07 am to Master of Sinanju
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You have to wonder if Palpatine threw that fight as part of his plan to turn Anakin. He killed the other two Jedi ridiculously easy, and then allowed himself to be scarred to play on Anakin's emotions.
Of course Palpatine threw the fight. I thought that was pretty obvious.
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