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re: True Detective Season 2 Ep. 2: Night Finds You
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:28 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:28 am to Salmon
I don't understand why a lot of people feel like everything has to make sense through episode 2. Season 1, IMO did not get going until Episode 4.
I have had no problem following what is happening.
I have had no problem following what is happening.
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:33 am to Jwodie
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I'm with you here. When they cast VV I was immediately skeptical but hoping to be pleasantly surprised. He has been about in line with my initial skepticism. He's just simply miscast. I can't get past his typecast jokester character and see him as anything dark, mysterious, etc. He's actually more detracting than intriguing.
I'd like to see what Pizzolatto had originally written up for his character and to imagine what that might have looked like before casting. I don't think it's a problem with the writing of the character, necessarily. VV just has a sort of natural weakness as a comedic figure that I'm not buying into as a lifelong criminal and crime boss. Hell, Kelly Reilly comes off like more of the brains of the operation when they're on screen together. Maybe he needs to beat the shite out of someone (maybe he will?). I get having a weak criminal figure with daddy issues but, given the tedious monologue about his past abuse, shouldn't he be showing a lot of psychopathic tendencies by now? Correct me if I'm wrong, but all we've seen him do is brood, look worried, yell once or twice about the Russians and Casper, and dialogue the shite out of every other scene he's been in. He's got to snap eventually, right?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:34 am to Veritas
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I don't understand why a lot of people feel like everything has to make sense through episode 2
people are saying this?
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I have had no problem following what is happening.
neither do I...
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:34 am to Veritas
dp
my computer is going full retard this morning...
my computer is going full retard this morning...
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:37 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:38 am to Veritas
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I don't understand why a lot of people feel like everything has to make sense through episode 2. Season 1, IMO did not get going until Episode 4.
It's not that it has to make sense. It's that it has to have some discernible direction. Last season, we were introduced to the scope of Marty and Rust's personal struggles very early on (adulterous husband in a family of women, broken undercover cop who had lost a child) and had a good idea as to what kind of investigation was being conducted (girl gets murdered in a ritualistic way, devil traps found at that scene begin popping up elsewhere). Season 1 gave us plenty to sink our teeth into in the first couple of episodes to build to the explosion that was episode 4. So far, 2 out of 8 episodes have given us very little to cling to (that's interesting, anyway). Maybe that's intentional and there's just a different rhythm to this season. Guess we'll find out on Sunday.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:43 am to tylerdurden24
Not to be a nitpicky dick but his name is "Velcoro".
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:46 am to tylerdurden24
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It's not that it has to make sense. It's that it has to have some discernible direction. Last season, we were introduced to the scope of Marty and Rust's personal struggles very early on (adulterous husband in a family of women, broken undercover cop who had lost a child) and had a good idea as to what kind of investigation was being conducted (girl gets murdered in a ritualistic way, devil traps found at that scene begin popping up elsewhere). Season 1 gave us plenty to sink our teeth into in the first couple of episodes to build to the explosion that was episode 4.
How has this season not delivered the same? You know Velcoro's back story, some of McAdams, Kitsch (limited) and now some of Vince Vaughn's.
You also saw a heineous, tortuerous murder where city dealings and things are starting to be tied in.
You guys are finding shite to bitch about for the sake of bitching? Its not nearly as well done as season 1 but you guys are acting like this is Lost or something.
After 2 episodes, how can you say there has been no build and no direction?
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:50 am to STLhog
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Its not nearly as well done as season 1
that is just the issue
there has been backstory and we get the basic plot for the season, but the story just isn't very compelling right now and I get it, its only ep2, but I was all in by ep2 last season
I don't give a shite about Kitsch or McAdams, in fact, Kitsch character annoys the shite out of me, the only compelling character is Ferrell
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:55 am to STLhog
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Not to be a nitpicky dick but his name is "Velcoro".
I knew I'd probably butchered it. I was just going off of memory (obviously not the sharpest)
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:56 am to Salmon
no more bitching, more speculation
has this been posted?
art from the therapists office
has this been posted?
art from the therapists office
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:58 am to Salmon
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I don't give a shite about Kitsch or McAdams, in fact, Kitsch character annoys the shite out of me, the only compelling character is Ferrell
Im pretty much down with this.
Kitsch may* be serviceable but McAdams has been blah. Cf was boosting her up in the car dialogue scenes. Although I did like those parts.
His dialogue in the car show he is a much sharper guy than originally expected and we also saw real glimpses of remorse and turmoil. At least I did.
I thought CF was on point in the scene where his wife was taking his kid too. He was actually pretty damn good the whole episode. Really going to be pissed if he's done.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:59 am to Salmon
The crow shite is frickin creepy.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:00 am to Salmon
No way in hell Rick isn't knee deep in this shite!
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:04 am to STLhog
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Cf was boosting her up in the car dialogue scenes
"Sucking a robot dick"
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:05 am to The Bruce
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"Sucking a robot dick"
great line for sure haha. Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:08 am to STLhog
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You know Velcoro's back story, some of McAdams, Kitsch (limited) and now some of Vince Vaughn's.
Maybe there's a difference between their back stories and their home life. We got to know the places to which Marty and Rust retreated when they weren't investigating the murder (the physical locations and the people or lack thereof that they spent their time with). We've kind of gotten that with Kitsch and we've at least seen McAdams and Vaughn's physical homes. But we just don't have a sense for who these people are other than the fact that they're angry and they've got issues. The only explanations of those issues so far have been Vaughn's (the story of which wasn't bad but the delivery was cringeworthy) and Velcoro (just so happens to also be the character most of us have connected with to this point). We kind of saw a glimpse into Kitsch's past via his really unsettling mother but not enough. This is part of what I mean when I say that there are too many threads: we're not getting to connect with the main characters the way we got to with Marty and Rust
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You also saw a heineous, tortuerous murder where city dealings and things are starting to be tied in.
Don't get me wrong, I think the crime itself has some potential. It's just not all that interesting yet (and not as interesting as the Dora Lange murder that kciked off season 1). I think Velcoro's supposed/potential murder could really make it intriguing (as there are multiple suspects with multiple motives we can glom onto).
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You guys are finding shite to bitch about for the sake of bitching? Its not nearly as well done as season 1 but you guys are acting like this is Lost or something.
Honestly, that's what makes this show fun. It's taking risks and opening itself up to this kind of criticism. That's not a thankless move on their part. I'm tuning in because I know there's going to be a week's worth of nitpicking and discussion going on about the writing. shite, this is the closest thing to a mass weekly book club as you're going to find right now. I appreciate the show for providing that and I'm willing to give it a chance. Like I said, I'm still tuning in next week and regardless of how this season plays out, I'll stil tune in for Season 3. It's just that unique and that adventurous.
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After 2 episodes, how can you say there has been no build and no direction?
It has a build, but it's meandering. At best, its direction just hasn't been interesting. At worst, it's direction isn't clear: Am I supposed to care about VV turning legit? Am I supposed to hope for Velcoro's redemption? Am I supposed to hope McAdams "saves" her sister and at least accepts her father? Am I supposed to care about the murder of what seems like a pretty sleazy old guy? I mean, how does that all tie together thematically? I'm just not clear on what the show is wanting me to think right now. I realize it has only been 2 episodes, but that's a quarter of the season. The more I talk about, the more I'm actually becoming intrigued as to how they're going to pull this off because I know they can.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:12 am to rebeloke
I rather see people trying to figure out what's going on than bitching. This thread is complete crap. People are just pissed there wasn't a 12 point rack mounted to Caspers head.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:17 am to rebeloke
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No way in hell Rick isn't knee deep in this shite!
Yea, we know Rick is involved somehow. He mentioned McAdams father so I think we can expect that facility to come back in play.
The webcast porn is going to tie into this too.
We have the Russians that look sketchy as frick.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:18 am to TOKEN
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I rather see people trying to figure out what's going on than bitching.
Then let me ask you this:
Is Velcoro dead or not? If so, how do you think things play out for the other characters (how do they react)? If not, how does it change the investigation for the Vinci folks?
Posted on 6/29/15 at 10:18 am to TOKEN
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I rather see people trying to figure out what's going on than bitching. This thread is complete crap. People are just pissed there wasn't a 12 point rack mounted to Caspers head.
And that they don't get to see MM chain smoking reds with an overemphasis on oral fixation.
I don't think it's nearly as bad as most on here are saying.
Back to Velcoro. Honestly what does the show get whatsoever from him being killed there?
You might as well have him jump off the US Bank tower at the end of the episode vs that right?
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