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Top 3 All-Time Gross: Will Anything Ever Beat Avatar?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:24 pm
So now that Star Wars has slowed down considerably. let's take a look:
- -Film- --- --Total-- -Dom- ----- --Inter-- ----- -Year--
1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 $760.5 27.3% $2,027.5 72.7% 2009^
2 Titanic Par. $2,186.8 $658.7 30.1% $1,528.1 69.9% 1997^
3 SW:TFA BV $2,057.2 $931.2 45.3% $1,126.0 54.7% 2015
A few things to point out:
Three Vastly Different Films, the big sequel to the massively popular franchise, the out of the blue (pun intended) blockbuster, and the....period piece? Ha. SW might catch Titanic, it won't catch Avatar, there's no way. But look at that international difference...that is insane. Star Wars is nearly $200 million above #2 domestically, but missed out on larger international success, and Avatar was nearly an entire blockbuster film better than Titanic. That's insane, and let's not throw F7 in there, that's another discussion.
But we've been warned of a shift in film, as studios seek to chase profits, international is where real profits are at. Now, this was said by Spielberg years ago, right after Avatar. So the first question is, how the heck did Avatar do that internationally? The prediction was that as international markets matured movies would get dumber: More CGI, less obvious American actors, less words and a reliance on action/spectacle like sequences. Basically dropping the language barrier from being a problem. Was Avatar the perfect international film for that? Focusing on aliens, with their own language, that EVERYONE had to read?
We can also argue that movies are in fact, bigger, dumber, and less real, there's certainly a case to be made, but those predictions years ago told of all movies going that way. We haven't necessarily seen that to a complete overhaul of the film industry.
Not only that the domestic success of Star Wars is huge, because the true economic value of that property goes well beyond simple movie tickets, and that kind of domestic success, while not as simply put in terms of numbers, is much more controllable and probably valuable.
- -Film- --- --Total-- -Dom- ----- --Inter-- ----- -Year--
1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0 $760.5 27.3% $2,027.5 72.7% 2009^
2 Titanic Par. $2,186.8 $658.7 30.1% $1,528.1 69.9% 1997^
3 SW:TFA BV $2,057.2 $931.2 45.3% $1,126.0 54.7% 2015
A few things to point out:
Three Vastly Different Films, the big sequel to the massively popular franchise, the out of the blue (pun intended) blockbuster, and the....period piece? Ha. SW might catch Titanic, it won't catch Avatar, there's no way. But look at that international difference...that is insane. Star Wars is nearly $200 million above #2 domestically, but missed out on larger international success, and Avatar was nearly an entire blockbuster film better than Titanic. That's insane, and let's not throw F7 in there, that's another discussion.
But we've been warned of a shift in film, as studios seek to chase profits, international is where real profits are at. Now, this was said by Spielberg years ago, right after Avatar. So the first question is, how the heck did Avatar do that internationally? The prediction was that as international markets matured movies would get dumber: More CGI, less obvious American actors, less words and a reliance on action/spectacle like sequences. Basically dropping the language barrier from being a problem. Was Avatar the perfect international film for that? Focusing on aliens, with their own language, that EVERYONE had to read?
We can also argue that movies are in fact, bigger, dumber, and less real, there's certainly a case to be made, but those predictions years ago told of all movies going that way. We haven't necessarily seen that to a complete overhaul of the film industry.
Not only that the domestic success of Star Wars is huge, because the true economic value of that property goes well beyond simple movie tickets, and that kind of domestic success, while not as simply put in terms of numbers, is much more controllable and probably valuable.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:28 pm to Freauxzen
Sure, something will, unless human population starts declining.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:33 pm to Freauxzen
Its inevitable with inflation.
It will have to be:
1) In 3D so tickets cost more
2) A cultural phenomenon/spectacle
3) A huge hit in China.
It will have to be:
1) In 3D so tickets cost more
2) A cultural phenomenon/spectacle
3) A huge hit in China.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:34 pm to Freauxzen
SW beat the original run of Titanic. Titanic was re-released 10 years later, so hen SW is re-released at some point in the future, it will top Titanic. It is highly unlikely to catch Avatar though.
Avatar was a visual experience like the world has never experience before that transcends culture and language. I think the only thing that could top Avatar is a similar evolution in technology coupled with an adventure story. Virtual reality, maybe?
Avatar was a visual experience like the world has never experience before that transcends culture and language. I think the only thing that could top Avatar is a similar evolution in technology coupled with an adventure story. Virtual reality, maybe?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:34 pm to Freauxzen
Not anytime soon, but with prices rising it's inevitable.
That number still boggles my mind.
quote:
1 Avatar Fox $2,788.0
That number still boggles my mind.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:35 pm to Freauxzen
It might take like a badass live version of Akira to do it.
Get the Asian audience hooked, which is huge and if it looks like a blockbuster, people will flock to it over here. Then, it it's actually good, more and more people will go watch it.
Get the Asian audience hooked, which is huge and if it looks like a blockbuster, people will flock to it over here. Then, it it's actually good, more and more people will go watch it.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
Three more Avatar movies on the way starting next year.
It's kinda of ridiculous that James Cameron, a great director, has basically done nothing from 1998-2019 except focus on Avatar.
It's kinda of ridiculous that James Cameron, a great director, has basically done nothing from 1998-2019 except focus on Avatar.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:39 pm to Freauxzen
Episode 9 will surpass it assuming its decent and ticket prices keep going up.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 3:49 pm to Marciano1
quote:
It's kinda of ridiculous that James Cameron, a great director, has basically done nothing from 1998-2019 except focus on Avatar.
sure he did
sorry couldn't resist
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:16 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
Its inevitable with inflation.
This.
I think I saw a list like this that did adjust for inflation and gone with the wind was #1 by a good margin.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:23 pm to Freauxzen
TFW won't catch Avatar but it's getting there. If the 2nd movie is great, I could see that or especially Episode IX giving Avatar a run.
Justice League if these movies are done right will cross $2 billion also imo
Justice League if these movies are done right will cross $2 billion also imo
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:28 pm to WG_Dawg
Nothing is remotely close to Gone With the Wind in terms of number of tickets sold. I wonder if anything will ever beat that.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 4:57 pm to Freauxzen
It truly saddens me that a shitty, hackneyed movie like Avatar is #1. It only encourages shitty hackery.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 5:16 pm to blueboy
quote:
It truly saddens me that a shitty, hackneyed movie like Avatar is #1. It only encourages shitty hackery.
This. I'm not saying it's the worst film I've ever watched, but I think it definitely takes the cake when it comes to not-living-up-to-the-hype. Boring, poorly developed characters, a predictable cliche of a plot, and a world that was about as imaginative as Ferngully. Jesus.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:23 pm to Marciano1
quote:
It's kinda of ridiculous that James Cameron, a great director, has basically done nothing from 1998-2019 except focus on Avatar.
quote:
$2,788,000,000.00
He MIGHT be on to something here.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 6:32 pm to WG_Dawg
1. Gone with the Wind
2. Avatar
3. Star Wars - A new hope
4. Titanic
5. Sound of music
Adjusted for inflation
2. Avatar
3. Star Wars - A new hope
4. Titanic
5. Sound of music
Adjusted for inflation
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Eh I know, but most of the record books keep a separate table for that. I'm speaking more to the straight money being made at the time of release and how that correlates to either a current change in film or a future one.
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