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re: "The Walking Dead" is absurd thread
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:01 pm to swamie
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:01 pm to swamie
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1. Vampires were never cool
Lost Boys FTW
Also to those saying the show is doing what it is supposed to do...what is it SUPPOSED to do? Make me hate 90% of the characters and cheer for their gory deaths? If so, this is an excellent show.
Rick, with the exception of 15 total minutes of the entire series is the model of stupidity in a post apocalyptic world. If it ever hit the fan in real life, I'd just think "What would Rick do?" and then...do the opposite.
Shane and Darryl are the closest sensible characters I can relate with. The Asian is tolerable. Every other character could die in a fire in the next episode and that would have been the best thing to ever happen to the series.
I will say this, it seems the writers MAY have gotten the memo if the final 10 minutes of the last episode was any inclination. If not, this show is going down the toilet pretty soon.*
*And I actually watch the show
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:05 pm to polarbehr
Yes, George RR Martin has no mercy when it comes to characters. No one is safe. I don't think that The Walking Dead writers have that kind of freedom to slice through characters like that.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:05 pm to Bubb
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I hate everyone but Darryl.
and he is the worst actor on the show.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:09 pm to Thundercles
I love how everyone is a sharpshooter and not a single bullet is wasted, rather each one drills a zombie between the eyes.
Revolver from 80 yards to the forehead? Easy peezy
Revolver from 80 yards to the forehead? Easy peezy
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:16 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
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I love how everyone is a sharpshooter and not a single bullet is wasted
You may have inadvertently brought up the best point in the thread: The REAL importance of ammo in the world they are living in.
NOT ONCE has that tension been drawn. Instead, we see scenes where 200 rounds are fired off and no one seems to care where the next bullet is going to come from. No one has been tasked with going out and keeping the group stocked up on what would be GOLD in this world. Water seems plentiful, food? Oh they have plenty. Need to sharpen melee weapons rusted and dulled with blood stains? Nah. Guns? No problem. Ammo? INFINITE BABY!!!
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:20 pm to Bubb
how the hell does anyone hate T-Dogg?
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:21 pm to theunknownknight
I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has.
shite, if you don't like the show, or you think the characters are so dumb you spend an entire hour cheering for their death and hating them, QUIT frickING WATCHING.
I won't miss you in the discussion thread. I don't think anyone else that likes the show will either. I will actually enjoy all of you leaving those threads because it will mean I can actually start reading them again.
shite, if you don't like the show, or you think the characters are so dumb you spend an entire hour cheering for their death and hating them, QUIT frickING WATCHING.
I won't miss you in the discussion thread. I don't think anyone else that likes the show will either. I will actually enjoy all of you leaving those threads because it will mean I can actually start reading them again.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:21 pm to theunknownknight
Yeah, I think "wasted" may have been a bad term to use. They waste plenty. Just every one hits its target and they never run out.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:23 pm to Josh Fenderman
Uhh....this is the "absurd" thread. It was started to address the absurdity of the show. Your other thread is no free to love the show as much as you want.
FTR, I don't dislike the show but that doesn't mean I can't point out the ridiculousness of it. That's part of the fun of dissecting movies/tv.
FTR, I don't dislike the show but that doesn't mean I can't point out the ridiculousness of it. That's part of the fun of dissecting movies/tv.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:24 pm to Josh Fenderman
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I can't believe this thread has gone on as long as it has.
shite, if you don't like the show, or you think the characters are so dumb you spend an entire hour cheering for their death and hating them, QUIT frickING WATCHING.
I won't miss you in the discussion thread. I don't think anyone else that likes the show will either. I will actually enjoy all of you leaving those threads because it will mean I can actually start reading them again.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:27 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
Sorry, I don't see how somebody can enjoy watching a show they feel is so absurd. I would feel like I would be wasting my time.
@shirtlessmirrorpic guy, nice response
@shirtlessmirrorpic guy, nice response
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:29 pm to theunknownknight
What I'm wondering is what happens when they absolutely can not find any food? Cannibalism? Now THAT is gonna be the best mind frick of all. I should write for this show.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:32 pm to Baloo
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I think its a deeply flawed show that is still enjoyable to watch. I find the "MORE ACTION!" critics to be completely off base. I actually think in retrospect, the pacing problems aren't that bad. Especially because it is being commented on by the characters themselves. I like that they are being confronted by their bad decision and haunted by the failure of what was clearly a wild goose chase.
I don't agree with those who think the show is flawless and I don't agree with those who despise the show. I rather like the slow build, as a results in great moments. the last 10 minutes of the last episode was simpyl terrific television, and it required that slow build. The last season ended on a great moment, built up over 8 episodes. You could feel the character's frustration because you were frustrated as well, and you identified with his "ENOUGH!" speech.
Dialogue and character are the biggest problems, though Herschel is rapidly becoming a fascinating character study. Shane already is. Daryl goes back and forth, but he's great at being the voice of the audience. It's a show that also has flashes of greatness, which keep me coming back.
Ok so we're back to being the same person. Spot on here.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:41 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Sorry, I don't see how somebody can enjoy watching a show they feel is so absurd. I would feel like I would be wasting my time.
That sounds like your problem, not mine. I am currently putting the Walking Dead in the same category as "Gingerdead Man" and will intentionally enjoy it's awfulness until the writers prove they know how to write a drama.
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@shirtlessmirrorpic guy, nice response
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:41 pm to Thundercles
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I love Mad Men, and it's because I have an attachment to most of the characters and care how their lives go.
How though? Who is likable on Mad Men really? If you're going to leverage that claim against Walking Dead, at least be consistent. There isn't really one likable character on that show either, at least if you are a morally good and consistent person.
And it suffers the same faults of "complexity for complexity's sake." Characters willfully do illogical things to justify story, because....drumroll, MOST writers are terrible at their jobs. I'll admit Walking Dead has it's flaws, but it's just as ambitious as Mad Men, and just as flawed.
We can't make honest television anymore, but that's a whole other discussion. Probably tied into these sentiments:
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Mediocre is something that aspires to nothing. I got into this over two weekends ago, but mediocre art is a blight. Our acceptance of crappy art breeds more crappy art. It breeds passive audiences and drags down the culture in general. Mediocre pap to me is far more offensive than something that fails. And yes, I blame audiences. We demand garbage, and garbage is what we get.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 3:43 pm to theunknownknight
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intentionally enjoy it's awfulness until the writers prove they know how to write a drama.
It's just like some of these reality tv shows. I hate them, but it's like a train wreck. I can't stop watching. Train-wreck TV is the best.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 4:28 pm to Freauxzen
Woo hoo! Me and Freaux! Back on track!
I think what irritates me about the "pace" argument is that I think the show has turned the pacing problems into a virtue over the past two episodes. You had to agree with Shane's meltdown on some level, and that required them simply wasting time (not that they don't have all of the time in the world).
Then, the person arguing against "pace" then complains about character and dialogue. Fine. I agree with those arguments, but poor characterization is not a pacing problem. It's a poor characterization problem. All of the arguments against pace seem to back down at the first signs of critical resistance and fall back on poor character. Fine. but make THAT your argument, not pacing. The issue is not pace.
I think what irritates me about the "pace" argument is that I think the show has turned the pacing problems into a virtue over the past two episodes. You had to agree with Shane's meltdown on some level, and that required them simply wasting time (not that they don't have all of the time in the world).
Then, the person arguing against "pace" then complains about character and dialogue. Fine. I agree with those arguments, but poor characterization is not a pacing problem. It's a poor characterization problem. All of the arguments against pace seem to back down at the first signs of critical resistance and fall back on poor character. Fine. but make THAT your argument, not pacing. The issue is not pace.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 4:35 pm to Baloo
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Then, the person arguing against "pace" then complains about character and dialogue. Fine. I agree with those arguments, but poor characterization is not a pacing problem. It's a poor characterization problem. All of the arguments against pace seem to back down at the first signs of critical resistance and fall back on poor character. Fine. but make THAT your argument, not pacing. The issue is not pace.
Bad pacing and bad characterizations are not mutually exclusive. What the writers consider virtuous has no bearing on how the audience interprets the final product.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 4:44 pm to theunknownknight
Of course they aren't. They are totally different. But loo at this thread. The argument always seemse to go "I think the show has poor pacing... and by poor pacing, I mean bad characters." That's just illogical. Just say poor characters if that's what you mean.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 5:16 pm to Pectus
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There's actually a story.
Just because they aren't on screen doesn't mean their presence is felt. I mean their entire world has changed and they are in the situation they are in because of the zombies. It is the tone of the series. They are present although we don't have to see them.
Sounds like The Road Warrior with nasty dudes that want to eat you instead of bi-sexual Australian body builder dudes that want your car, your fuel, the clothes off your back, your girlfriend/boyfriend and anything else that will help them survive.
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