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re: "The Walking Dead" is absurd thread
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:39 pm to Thundercles
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:39 pm to Thundercles
Look, "dude", you need to learn about what this show is and what this show isn't. This show is a drama first and foremost. It's not some run-of-the-mill with no plot and worthless characters. There's actually a story.
So why don't you go get your entertainment elsewhere and let us watch good TV.
So why don't you go get your entertainment elsewhere and let us watch good TV.
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Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:41 pm to Pectus
They want "House of the Dead". . .
. . .the video game, not the Uwe Bol abortion.
. . .the video game, not the Uwe Bol abortion.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:42 pm to DvlsAdvocat
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I watched season 1 and the first episode of season 2 and said "I'm out"...I walked away clean with no regrets.
I had to jump in here because this is the first thread that I've seen open with how absurd the show is.
Yea, that is about when I gave up. It was starting to shape up as Heroes [the tv show] Part Deux, ie: 40 minutes of shity dialogue with 5 minutes of plot + 15 minutes of commercials. I figured if it really caught on, I would catch it later on Netflix or something.
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I walked away clean with no regrets.
I did the same thing with the aforementioned show Heroes, and I did not regret it.... so far, I have not been missing The Walking Dead or its crappy characters.
And, its not just about action. Yea, a little more action wouldn't hurt, but the show feels like, emphasis added on the feels like, SGU. Not even in the same ocean as being as bad, just has similar elements of bad characters + poor dialogue + drawn out. I have avoided the comic threads, but I might try to read some [threads, not the comics] just to see how far the show is deviating or how the pacing is compared to the comics. People rave about the comics [could be fanboys], but the show did not match the reviews of the source material, obviously, imo.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:47 pm to Pectus
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This show is a drama first and foremost. It's not some run-of-the-mill with no plot and worthless characters. T
Well, it feels like a run-of-the-mill with no plot and worthless characters DRAMA. I'm not expecting an action series. Based on comments about the comics, I had expectations going in that this show would be more about the people [characters] coping with change, rather than fighting zombies like a Dawn of the Dead made for TV series.
But, I found it hard to watch a show where the guy I was routing for [the zombies] were off screen 90% of the time. I just wanted someone to put these miserable, short sighted fricks out of my "drama" watching misery. I have rarely seen such insufferable characters and lack of "plot" in a show billed as having "actually story."
This post was edited on 2/13/12 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:53 pm to Baloo
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Mediocre TV is a show that aspires to be nothing but background noise.
I look at it slightly differently. CSI, Law and Order, etc do what they set out to do which is do mindlessly entertain for an hour. It's easy to jump in for an episode while cooking dinner or playing on a laptop. It's unfair to call it mediocre when it does its job. It's like saying a Katy Perry song sucks because the lyrics are simple-minded. Well you know what? Her songs are really fricking catchy.
The Walking Dead, on the other hand, aspires to be a serious drama along the lines of Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, Mad Men, yada yada but it fails by being, well, mediocre in it's writing and characterizations. It FAILS to do its job unlike the aforementioned junk-food TV selections.
I'd much rather watch an episode of Criminal Minds before I watch an episode of The Walking Dead just as I'd much rather a burger from Rallys as opposed to an badly cooked steak.
And this is why, despite my movie snobbery which is really just 90% bullshite, I can enjoy almost anything. A movie can be the shittiest piece of shite ever created but if it's goal was to be the shittiest piece of shite ever created then I can temper my expectations to enjoy it to some degree.
I've been drinking a LOT of coffee...am I rambling? It feels like it.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 9:59 pm to Thundercles
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This is completely true. Any complaint about the slow pace is met with "You just don't understand character-driven drama. Go watch Spike!" I'm entirely on board with a slower paced, character driven show. I love Mad Men, and it's because I have an attachment to most of the characters and care how their lives go.
The writers on Walking Dead have made me truly despise each character, and all I wish is for their gory death by the hands of zombies. Unfortunately, that can never happen because zombies get about a minute of screen time per week.
I understand it's not supposed to be an action show about killing zombies, but the first couple episodes had a healthy mix of engaging action and 15 minute discussions about the nature of mankind. Now the show has been reduced to people arguing while staring at each other. And sometimes oh yeah there's a zombie. Oh well, back to arguing.
Looks like Thunder beat me too it.
I love the double standard on this board.
Someone criticizes PEOPLE who like the critics flavor of the week [Malick/ Drive/ etc]: "Anyone who likes this movie is a pretentious douche."
"Hey, don't over generalize everyone that liked that movie/show. We aren't all pretentious douches."
Someone criticizes the recent Malick flick or Drive: "Your just a mouth breathing SpikeTV watcher! You people are fricking morons. Bang bang. Bombs and titties and gore!"
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:23 pm to Pectus
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Look, "dude", you need to learn about what this show is and what this show isn't. This show is a drama first and foremost. It's not some run-of-the-mill with no plot and worthless characters. There's actually a story.
So why don't you go get your entertainment elsewhere and let us watch good TV.
I hope this is sarcasm.
Like the OP said, the characters aren't likable. They continually make irrational decisions. I hope most of the cast would be eaten.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:23 pm to Thundercles
I actually agree with this.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:31 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
2 things I want to reply to.
1. Vampires were never cool, even before that shittastic Stephanie Myers drivel about teenage love and being emo. The closest the came to being cool was Interview with a Vampire and they still looked like Victorian Queens. Zombies are more than just being a zombie, they represent total chaos and survival of the fittest in the form of rotting flesh and your worst nightmare.
2. The source material for this IMO isn't just fanboy lore. Each issue was hard to put down and almost always exciting. It has a crisp way of introducing new interesting characters and while they may not have dove into just how much of a wet blanket Dale really is, you understood everyone's role. Plus, the focus of the comics is only really Rick and Carl. The show does make it seem like zombies are only a passing worry to the group, but in the comic, even sleeping was a luxury for everyone.
1. Vampires were never cool, even before that shittastic Stephanie Myers drivel about teenage love and being emo. The closest the came to being cool was Interview with a Vampire and they still looked like Victorian Queens. Zombies are more than just being a zombie, they represent total chaos and survival of the fittest in the form of rotting flesh and your worst nightmare.
2. The source material for this IMO isn't just fanboy lore. Each issue was hard to put down and almost always exciting. It has a crisp way of introducing new interesting characters and while they may not have dove into just how much of a wet blanket Dale really is, you understood everyone's role. Plus, the focus of the comics is only really Rick and Carl. The show does make it seem like zombies are only a passing worry to the group, but in the comic, even sleeping was a luxury for everyone.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:46 pm to swamie
2 replys back
1. I have no idea why you are talking about vampires; so, I will assume that I missed something.
2. Your thoughts on [2] basically confirm my suspicions that the writers either a] are deviating too far from the source material or b] were not capable of bringing the source material to the small screen [reasons unknown,: ie, budget, talent, care, studio pressure, etc].
I tend to lean towards [2] being the problem. They had a great source, a strong [but likely small] fan base from the comics, solid word of mouth, and a great pilot. But, somewhere between the pilot and the rest of the series, the tension was lost [for me at least] and the characters started sucking. I'm not trying to point fingers, but at this point in the series [still time to recoup, and it isn't a total shite fest from what I hear], someone done fricked up what could have been a good, no, GREAT thing.
semi-unrelated reply
3. In reference to the Breaking Bad reference... Breaking Bad has plenty of something this show is missing that swamie's post brought to my attention, TENSION. To quote, "but in the comic, even sleeping was a luxury for everyone." I don't get that sense from the show. It feels like a frolic in the zombie woods, rather than a claustrophobic apocalypse that I can't put down/ stop consuming. I wanted to be a "zombie" for this show, but it just didn't happen for me. ...
analogous relatable situation to theories about the show... maybe I am just one of the people that died after getting attacked, and didn't turn. The rest of you that still find it to be "a deeply flawed show that is still enjoyable to watch" are the ones carrying the zombie gene. The followers [like walkers] are just drudging along looking for something to sink their teeth into.
unrelated... "You could feel the character's frustration because you were frustrated as well," I was frustrated as well, but I think my frustration was stemming from the characters, not shared with them.
1. I have no idea why you are talking about vampires; so, I will assume that I missed something.
2. Your thoughts on [2] basically confirm my suspicions that the writers either a] are deviating too far from the source material or b] were not capable of bringing the source material to the small screen [reasons unknown,: ie, budget, talent, care, studio pressure, etc].
I tend to lean towards [2] being the problem. They had a great source, a strong [but likely small] fan base from the comics, solid word of mouth, and a great pilot. But, somewhere between the pilot and the rest of the series, the tension was lost [for me at least] and the characters started sucking. I'm not trying to point fingers, but at this point in the series [still time to recoup, and it isn't a total shite fest from what I hear], someone done fricked up what could have been a good, no, GREAT thing.
semi-unrelated reply
3. In reference to the Breaking Bad reference... Breaking Bad has plenty of something this show is missing that swamie's post brought to my attention, TENSION. To quote, "but in the comic, even sleeping was a luxury for everyone." I don't get that sense from the show. It feels like a frolic in the zombie woods, rather than a claustrophobic apocalypse that I can't put down/ stop consuming. I wanted to be a "zombie" for this show, but it just didn't happen for me. ...
analogous relatable situation to theories about the show... maybe I am just one of the people that died after getting attacked, and didn't turn. The rest of you that still find it to be "a deeply flawed show that is still enjoyable to watch" are the ones carrying the zombie gene. The followers [like walkers] are just drudging along looking for something to sink their teeth into.
unrelated... "You could feel the character's frustration because you were frustrated as well," I was frustrated as well, but I think my frustration was stemming from the characters, not shared with them.
This post was edited on 2/13/12 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 2/13/12 at 10:54 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Well, it feels like a run-of-the-mill with no plot and worthless characters DRAMA. I'm not expecting an action series. Based on comments about the comics, I had expectations going in that this show would be more about the people [characters] coping with change, rather than fighting zombies like a Dawn of the Dead made for TV series.
That is what this show is. You just don't like for the drama is working out.
Raise your hand if you've ever seen a zombie story done this way.
No one? No one? Exactly. You can't have expectations for something that has never existed before. The action is not the point of the TV Show. If you can't take the psychological side of dealing with a Zombie Apocalypse, then stop watching the show. I would HATE a show that was Dawn of the Dead every week.
That scene where the guys were trying to find out information on the farm from Rick was a great scene.
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But, I found it hard to watch a show where the guy I was routing for [the zombies] were off screen 90% of the time.
Just because they aren't on screen doesn't mean their presence is felt. I mean their entire world has changed and they are in the situation they are in because of the zombies. It is the tone of the series. They are present although we don't have to see them.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:02 pm to chinese58
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Why are zombies O.K. but vampires get made fun of?
Zombies are the new vampires brah. Vampires got gay when they started sparkling in the sunlight instead of blowing the frick up.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:29 pm to Thundercles
Bow, i'm with you. I hate everyone but Darryl.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:29 pm to BhamTigah
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I think its a deeply flawed show that is still enjoyable to watch.
Yeah, despite the flaws, I have enjoyed every episode and look forward to the next one.
Likewise. Hey, it's a zombie movie. I don't expect Oscar winning performances in a zombie movie. hehe What it needs is more hot women getting naked.
Laren Cohan is smokin' hot. We need to see more of her and more like her. 
And yes, I did enjoy seeing Rick gun down those carpetbaggers. 
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:39 pm to Pectus
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Raise your hand if you've ever seen a zombie story done this way.
:Every reader of the comics raises hand:
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The action is not the point of the TV Show. If you can't take the psychological side of dealing with a Zombie Apocalypse, then stop watching the show. I would HATE a show that was Dawn of the Dead every week.
I know your reading comprehension is not that bad; so, I am going to assume you are trolling. You missed the point of my post completely. I was hoping for a psychological drama, and this show didn't do it for me, but I guess I couldn't have hoped for that because no one has done a drama with zombies before.
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, then stop watching the show
I did.
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Just because they aren't on screen doesn't mean their presence is felt. I mean their entire world has changed and they are in the situation they are in because of the zombies. It is the tone of the series. They are present although we don't have to see them.
I agree we don't need to see them, but I strongly disagree that their presence is felt. Yes, the zombies are the premise for the show, but the characters aren't very convincing of that reality.
Posted on 2/13/12 at 11:48 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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The action is not the point of the TV Show. If you can't take the psychological side of dealing with a Zombie Apocalypse, then stop watching the show. I would HATE a show that was Dawn of the Dead every week.
I know your reading comprehension is not that bad; so, I am going to assume you are trolling. You missed the point of my post completely. I was hoping for a psychological drama, and this show didn't do it for me, but I guess I couldn't have hoped for that because no one has done a drama with zombies before.
I knew what you meant, I changed the audience I was writing to in that paragraph.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 12:07 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
Sorry for replying back about the vampires. That was for someone else on page 2.
Pectus and the writers got something right last night. Conflict between Rick's group and renegade roving bands were a MAJOR plot throughout the comics. So of course that scene between Rick and the Philly group played for greet drama. The writers stuck to themes from the comics. Just sucks that was only evident in the last 5 minutes.
Pectus and the writers got something right last night. Conflict between Rick's group and renegade roving bands were a MAJOR plot throughout the comics. So of course that scene between Rick and the Philly group played for greet drama. The writers stuck to themes from the comics. Just sucks that was only evident in the last 5 minutes.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 12:32 am to swamie
Someone brought up the tension of the show being the selling point. This is the way it should be, and it should be amazing. It could so easily be people struggling to get by and make a new life while the entire time under the threat of being eaten. It would actually add an interesting layer to the interactions on the show. We don't get that. Zombies hardly exist in their minds.
Instead, the plot has moved so slowly that any tension is removed. Maybe one person gets threatened by a zombie once per episode, but otherwise everyone hangs out camping in tents and telling ghost stories in the big open farm. They don't even seem to act like zombies are a thing in the world.
The one bit at the end of the last episode where those two random dudes came in was great. You could feel the actual tension build, and it was a great point to advance Rick's character. This almost never happens in the show. The rest of the show is people arguing in a loud whisper while making completely irrational decisions.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 1:09 am to Thundercles
Wow...you are speaking the truth in this thread. I agree completely with the fact that this show is nowhere near as good as it should be.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 1:13 am to Thundercles
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The one bit at the end of the last episode where those two random dudes came in was great. You could feel the actual tension build, and it was a great point to advance Rick's character
I that keeps up the next few episodes I will be ecstatic if not I'm done
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