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re: Tarantino Weighs in on the abundance of Superhero movies in Hollywood, MCU.....
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:25 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:25 pm to StringedInstruments
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If superhero movies were made in the 80s, they would have sucked
He should know this.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:27 pm to RonBurgundy
I quit giving a shite what Tarantino says about a decade ago. His whimsical dark comedy style got old long ago, and the best films in his catalog have not aged well. I saw Pulp Fiction a while back with my niece and it has lost a lot over time.
His movies were more edgy and vulgar than much of what we'd seen before, so it seemed like lauding him was the cool thing to do. However, if I'm being honest, I have to come to terms with the fact that most of them are really kind of stupid.
All things considered, I'd rather watch Conan the Barbarian, Blade Runner or The Hunt for Red October than anything he's ever made.
And I'm sorry, Fro, but most of the modern super hero movies really are fricking stupid. Iron Man 2 and 3 sucked. The Thors sucked. Captain America sucked, and I haven't even seen the second one. Spiderman 3 and the "Amazings" really really sucked. Ultron sucked, and I couldn't even watch all of the first one. Guardians was good, but doesn't deserve the blow job it gets from everyone. It's sequel will most likely suck.
His movies were more edgy and vulgar than much of what we'd seen before, so it seemed like lauding him was the cool thing to do. However, if I'm being honest, I have to come to terms with the fact that most of them are really kind of stupid.
All things considered, I'd rather watch Conan the Barbarian, Blade Runner or The Hunt for Red October than anything he's ever made.
And I'm sorry, Fro, but most of the modern super hero movies really are fricking stupid. Iron Man 2 and 3 sucked. The Thors sucked. Captain America sucked, and I haven't even seen the second one. Spiderman 3 and the "Amazings" really really sucked. Ultron sucked, and I couldn't even watch all of the first one. Guardians was good, but doesn't deserve the blow job it gets from everyone. It's sequel will most likely suck.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:28 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I didn't even bother with Winter Soldier after how bad Cap1 was, but I will go ahead and take y'alls word for it that it's good.
It's much better than The First Avenger, which goes in the forgettable pile with Thor1, Iron Man 3, and every Hulk version to date.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:33 pm to blueboy
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And I'm sorry, Fro, but most of the modern super hero movies really are fricking stupid. Iron Man 2 and 3 sucked. The Thors sucked. Captain America sucked, and I haven't even seen the second one. Spiderman 3 and the "Amazings" really really sucked. Ultron sucked, and I couldn't even watch all of the first one. Guardians was good, but doesn't deserve the blow job it gets from everyone. It's sequel will most likely suck.
you sure do watch a lot movies from a genre you claim to loathe
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:34 pm to RonBurgundy
I'm really not interested in yet another round of DC fans trying to pretend MCU films aren't well-made, so I'll focus on the interview: that it was really fantastic.
Truly game-changing films don't seem as game-changing when you look back because everyone is copying them and its now the language of film. It's the Citizen Kane Effect. You can't really explain what makes it so great instead of saying "every movie that came after it was made like it." Same with Pulp Fiction. The narrative style has just become part and parcel of the movie industry, so we don't even notice it anymore.
What I liked about it was that Tarantino is clearly comfortable and absolutely assured of his place in history. He's moved into the DGAF portion of his career. He can do whatever he wants, and he knows even if he fails, he'll be able to make another film on his own terms, which is actually pretty rare.
I also like his respect for actors. He tries to give them great words to say, and they flock to his films for good reason. He knows delivery matters just as much as what's on the page. And boy, am I thrilled he is putting Jennifer Jason Leigh in something again. She's been wasted for a decade.
Truly game-changing films don't seem as game-changing when you look back because everyone is copying them and its now the language of film. It's the Citizen Kane Effect. You can't really explain what makes it so great instead of saying "every movie that came after it was made like it." Same with Pulp Fiction. The narrative style has just become part and parcel of the movie industry, so we don't even notice it anymore.
What I liked about it was that Tarantino is clearly comfortable and absolutely assured of his place in history. He's moved into the DGAF portion of his career. He can do whatever he wants, and he knows even if he fails, he'll be able to make another film on his own terms, which is actually pretty rare.
I also like his respect for actors. He tries to give them great words to say, and they flock to his films for good reason. He knows delivery matters just as much as what's on the page. And boy, am I thrilled he is putting Jennifer Jason Leigh in something again. She's been wasted for a decade.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:40 pm to RonBurgundy
It's hard to make a good movie without a good story. I think that there is a limit on good comic book stories. It is the villains who end up making the movies interesting rather than the heroes since there is no character development for the heroes. Everyone knows their histories from the comic books.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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majority of these movies are just plain not done well
so what have you written or directed that has won awards?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:43 pm to BilJ
quote:I didn't say I hated the genre, just those movies.
you sure do watch a lot movies from a genre you claim to loathe
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:49 pm to elprez00
It would have been very hard to make these films back in the 80's. Technology is making it a lot easier to make them worth watching. Can you imagine some of the casting nightmares that would have come out of the 80's.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:56 pm to Baloo
I'm not a comic book reader but I'd say the same thing applies to those movies as has been said about 80's action movies, there are some good ones and some not so good to out right bad ones. My issue now is they may be reaching over saturation. I'm not a big fan of the idea of a universe. Some cross over of minor characters was good at first (Scar Jo in IM and Cap2) and the build up to the first Avengers was good, but now maybe going a little overboard. I like the stand alone Superheros and while my childhood Superhero exposure started with the SuperFriends, I'm not really looking forward to this BatMan v Superman movie. I prefer both to just exist in separate worlds.
As for the MCU. I'd heard of most, but didn't know much about most of those characters until i saw the movies. I really liked the 2 Thor movies, but like the first 2 Ironman's the plot was more or less the same. But some really cool visuals and worlds (plus Stringer Bell as the gatekeeper or whatever
) I thought Cap1 was terrible, but Cap2 i'd put up there with Batman Begins as my favorite comic book movies. The various Spiderman's except maybe the first Toby Maguire one were pretty bad as was the first Fantastic Four with Jessica Alba and the Commish, i haven't seen the Avenger movies. Like any genre there comes a time where fatigue sets in, maybe we are there with comics?
As for the MCU. I'd heard of most, but didn't know much about most of those characters until i saw the movies. I really liked the 2 Thor movies, but like the first 2 Ironman's the plot was more or less the same. But some really cool visuals and worlds (plus Stringer Bell as the gatekeeper or whatever
) I thought Cap1 was terrible, but Cap2 i'd put up there with Batman Begins as my favorite comic book movies. The various Spiderman's except maybe the first Toby Maguire one were pretty bad as was the first Fantastic Four with Jessica Alba and the Commish, i haven't seen the Avenger movies. Like any genre there comes a time where fatigue sets in, maybe we are there with comics?This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:59 pm to Poodlebrain
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I think that there is a limit on good comic book stories.
Maybe so but there's no limit on good stories to be told about the characters(hero or villain).
Some of the movies are based on existing comic book stories but most are new or mostly new material using the characters and their established origins.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:59 pm to StringedInstruments
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If superhero movies were made in the 80s, they would have sucked
The best superhero movie ever was made in the 80s.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:30 pm to Brosef Stalin
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The best superhero movie ever was made in the 80s.
The one where Superman killed Zod?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I agree with this point. There's no real reason to have Batman VS Superman, other than to replay the Iron Man vs Thor scene in the first Avengers movie; we'll have one guy (a rich earth man who does whatever he wants, against the grain), attacking a vastly more powerful (and alien) guy, who's holding back and not trying to hurt the other. Because well, y'know, he'd just kill the other guy in a second if he really wanted to.
My issue now is they may be reaching over saturation. I'm not a big fan of the idea of a universe. Some cross over of minor characters was good at first (Scar Jo in IM and Cap2) and the build up to the first Avengers was good, but now maybe going a little overboard. I like the stand alone Superheros and while my childhood Superhero exposure started with the SuperFriends, I'm not really looking forward to this BatMan v Superman movie. I prefer both to just exist in separate worlds.
Meanwhile, we have the villain smirking and watching it all, and various other heroes coming in to join the story.
I think GOTG is evidence the caped/costumed hero movie is beginning to wear thin, and the audience is ready for its' action films to be another genre- in this case SF. I see Star Wars riding this next wave, and the superhero movies will be more and more tedious- we'll wait on Marvel to finish up their grand scheme, and watch DC/Warner get started too late.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:22 pm to Scoob
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There's no real reason to have Batman VS Superman, other than to replay the Iron Man vs Thor scene in the first Avengers movie; we'll have one guy (a rich earth man who does whatever he wants, against the grain), attacking a vastly more powerful (and alien) guy, who's holding back and not trying to hurt the other. Because well, y'know, he'd just kill the other guy in a second if he really wanted to.
Meanwhile, we have the villain smirking and watching it all, and various other heroes coming in to join the story.
Batman vs. Superman is a project that has been teased since WB made Hancock...people have been wanting to see those two characters on screen together for years.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:43 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:I have wanted to see them on-screen together, like someone else commented, since Super-friends as a kid.
Batman vs. Superman is a project that has been teased since WB made Hancock...people have been wanting to see those two characters on screen together for years
I've NOT wanted to see them VERSUS each other. It's pointless; Superman would kill Batman in the blink of an eye if he was the aggressor, so Batman has to be the guy bringing the fight. Like I said, we saw this in Avengers with Iron Man vs Thor; Thor finally gets a little aggravated and just begins to crush Iron Man's suit with his hands.
Oh, and screw "portfolios". Not only does the film Batman have no portfolios (or really do much detective work), Superman could just fry him with his heat vision from orbit if he chose to. Or fly through him at mach 20, or throw him into the sun... or anything like that.
Unless you drastically alter his character, at which point he's no longer Superman in anything but name. Which I have no desire to see.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:54 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:quote:The one where Superman killed Zod?
The best superhero movie ever was made in the 80s.
Also, when did Superman get this power?
Posted on 8/25/15 at 4:59 pm to BilJ
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And I'm sorry, Fro, but most of the modern super hero movies really are fricking stupid. Iron Man 2 and 3 sucked. The Thors sucked. Captain America sucked, and I haven't even seen the second one. Spiderman 3 and the "Amazings" really really sucked. Ultron sucked, and I couldn't even watch all of the first one. Guardians was good, but doesn't deserve the blow job it gets from everyone. It's sequel will most likely suck.
And I guarantee you'll be there.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:26 pm to H-Town Tiger
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My issue now is they may be reaching over saturation.
Just playing devil's advocate here. Action Movies from 1985
Rambo: First Blood Part II
Commando
Missing in Action 2
Remo Williams
Death Wish 3
American Ninja
The Last Dragon
Police Story
Runaway Train
Gymkata
Code of SIlence
Heart of Dragon
Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome
How many of those are either A) Military B) Cops C) Street Level thuggery?
The only outlier is really Mad Max, and most of them are nearly the same exact story with different costumes. We won't reach that level of saturation of Superhero films ever.
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Like any genre there comes a time where fatigue sets in, maybe we are there with comics?
If Ant-Man is any indication, not yet.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 5:46 pm to Freauxzen
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If Ant-Man is any indication, not yet.
I would use AOU before I mentioned Ant-Man. Isn't it at about $150 million domestically? Not exactly a huge total by comic book standards.
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