Started By
Message

re: Tarantino Weighs in on the abundance of Superhero movies in Hollywood, MCU.....

Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:18 am to
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:18 am to
quote:

For the shitty generic films, but there were a lot of quality stories told through film in the 80s. Sure the special effects were still evolving, but I still prefer it over ridiculous and unnecessary amounts of cgi.


Lack of CGI has nothing to do with Commando sucking balls.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37244 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:28 am to
quote:

You are on a roll, Freaux.


Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37244 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:33 am to
quote:

Nobody is complaining that they are making superhero movies,


Whut?

quote:

they are complaining because almost all of them are painfully predictable, dramatically water down the characters in question (Ulton is exhibit A),


Meh - They vary between wildly different - Hulk 03, Thor 2, Winter Soldier, The Dark Knight, Guardians, Iron Man 3- to yes, very similar--Iron Man 1-2, Avengers, MoS.

quote:

and sacrifice the movie they are in to spend valuable screen time setting things up for other movies.


Worldbuilding isn't a bad thing and I'd say only a few movies sacrifice themselves for it.

quote:

I'm not going to bother with Thor 3 after how bad the first two were, so don't waste my time in Avengers 2 setting up some crap I don't care about.


I didn't know you were the only person who saw AoU on the planet. Thor 1 and 2 were good movies for what they were.


Look at one of Marvel's films where they tried to be vastly different--Iron Man 3-- widely hated.

The only problem with superhero films is that the the difficulty in making them modern while satisfying decades of comics is extremely problematic. I don't think most people get that either.

Also, if Thor 1 was so bad, what would you have done different?
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37244 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:35 am to
quote:

quote:

For the shitty generic films, but there were a lot of quality stories told through film in the 80s. Sure the special effects were still evolving, but I still prefer it over ridiculous and unnecessary amounts of cgi.



Lack of CGI has nothing to do with Commando sucking balls.




Haha... CGI isn't ok, but spraying hundreds of thousands of rounds at 6'5, 250 lb. Arnold while NEVER HITTING HIM is tense and exciting? Please.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 10:36 am
Posted by Fenwick86
Member since May 2007
3515 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:44 am to
I really enjoy QT's movies, but I have a hard time putting much stock into anything he has to say about film history after he made those foolish remarks about John Ford.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37244 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:44 am to
quote:

quote:

We need things like comedies, horror, action, silly ridiculous over-the-top 80s movies, etc.



we need good movies, regardless of genre.

Most of the MCU is dreadful.


Let me put this out there: You are NEVER going to like every single film released. It isn't going to happen because of a thing called "taste." You aren't built to think every film is magnificent, it isn't possible. As great as Breakfast at Tiffany's is, I hate that movie. It's a great film, that I don't like. And that's ok. Or take Rocky Horror Picture Show: bad film, but a fun movie, and still not something that's I would say I like. It is what it is. Good or bad, not everything is for me. But people out there love Breakfast at Tiffany's, people out there obsess over RHPS. Cool. I'm glad.

No matter what, we'll get good films, well get bad films, we'll get films that we like, we'll get films that we don't like, regardless of whether or not they are good or bad.

It's ok.

What if there's some kid out there watching MCU movies now, some pre-Tarantino vide store worker- who watches them and likes them, but feels the same as you. Too samey, too safe, etc. What if said kid, in 10 years, makes the most awesome Malick-esque deconstruction of Superheroes ever put on screen? What if said film becomes your favorite film of all time? Is that worth it? Is some crap, crap to you at least, worth a higher form of art?

That's kind of the idea of film. It can suck sometimes, but film, all kinds, is necessary. And we are never going to like everything that is produced. Be realistic about that, because this:

quote:

Most of the MCU is dreadful.


Is completely false and unsupported. There are dreadful films out there, the MCU, as a whole, is far from dreadful, even if most of the film are merely average or above average. They aren't dreadful.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84831 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:48 am to
quote:

As great as Breakfast at Tiffany's is, I hate that movie. It's a great film, that I don't like


I was a big comic book fan growing up. I want to like these movies. It's not a matter of "it's well done, it's just not for me." it's a matter of being let down over and over again because the majority of these movies are just plain not done well.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84831 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:48 am to
quote:

Is completely false and unsupported


It's not false. they are almost all bad movies.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29365 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:52 am to
quote:

There are dreadful films out there, the MCU, as a whole, is far from dreadful, even if most of the film are merely average or above average. They aren't dreadful.

Even the mediocre MCU films, not including IM3, are better than half the crap thats out today. I'd put the first Iron Man and Winter Soldier up against any action movie released in the last 20 years. GotG is this generations Star Wars.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37244 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 10:53 am to
quote:

quote:

Is completely false and unsupported



It's not false. they are almost all bad movies.



No they aren't. They aren't wildly innovative movies of narrative complexity, film making expertise and amazing acting. But outside of 2 or 3, they are average films at worst and excellent films at their best (Guardians, WS)

It is possible to separate taste from critique. That doesn't make you any less of a critic, or any less knowledgeable about film.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51489 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:16 am to
quote:

GotG is this generations Star Wars.


WOW!! I liked it too, but cmon man
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
32479 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:18 am to
quote:

GotG is this generations Star Wars.



Uh...no.

Fun movie, very entertaining. But let's face it, GOTG is not going to be a cultural phenomenon.

Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71340 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:24 am to
It's the whole without evil, does good really exist argument.
Posted by Green Grass Miracle
Colorado
Member since Jan 2015
119 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:46 am to
quote:

The Last Dragon






This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 11:50 am
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15169 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:55 am to
quote:

It's not false. they are almost all bad movies.



Same is true of 80s action movies. John McClane lost like 3 gallons of blood in Die Hard.
Posted by ThoseGuys
Wishing I was back in NC
Member since Nov 2012
1979 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:55 am to
I really am wondering if you are trolling or not. You're a comic book fan but you hate most comic movies? Do you just want every movie to be exactly like the comics with zero changes? I certainly have not liked every comic book movie, but it has been great to see some of the characters from the books on the big screen. People say the movies are innovative yet Hollywood is trying to copy the MCU formula.

Tim Burton's Batman is an iconic film. So is Avengers. Cap 2, GotG, and several others were great.

On topic though, the best 80's action movies are still better than the best comic book movies but the worst action movies are as bad as the worst comic books.
Posted by Kayhill Brown
Member since May 2010
940 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:56 am to
Must be trolling. MCU has put out average-to-great movies.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58036 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 11:58 am to
quote:

It's not false. they are almost all bad movies.


If they were so poorly done they wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as they are both w/critics and general audiences.

So you are kinda sorta completely wrong.

Even Iron Man 3 which many here hold up as the worst Marvel made flick was well liked by critics and audiences alike.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84831 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Do you just want every movie to be exactly like the comics with zero changes?


Of course not, I just want them to be good movies.

Example: last night I was watching Beverly Hills Cop, a movie that has the same sort of tone than at least some MCU movies are going for. BHC does a really good job of hitting the notes it wants to hit, while still advancing the story in a meaningful way and making you care about the characters involved. It builds dramatic tension while still retaining its lightheartedness in a way that doesn't detract from the significance of the scene. An example of this is the final scene when Billy is trying to get Taggert over the wall in Victor's mansion.

Now, it would be unrealistic to expect every movie to be as good at what it wants to do as BHC is. But most (not all, but most) MCU films fail spectacularly to achieve what they are going for. I'm often left in the odd position of not caring about a group of characters when the only reason I go to see most of these things in the first place is because I already cared about these characters. They frequently fall apart in the final act or at the very least become boring. There's typically too much going on in the frame at any given time and the poor writing and execution of what should be basic concepts of filmmaking fall flat. This is the same problem that Terminator Genysis had.

Iron Man 1 and GotG are notable exceptions. And while Avengers 1 isn't terrible, it's not anywhere near is good as people on here like to pretend. I didn't even bother with Winter Soldier after how bad Cap1 was, but I will go ahead and take y'alls word for it that it's good.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 12:14 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
51489 posts
Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:12 pm to
He may be going overboard calling them "dreadful" but I do think they get way too much praise sometimes. Marvel, in particular, seems to get a pass for everything. I loved Cap 2, and really liked GOTG. However, I found Cap1, Thor films, IM 2, and AOU, to be pretty bad.
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 4Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram