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re: "Serial" Podcast Discussion Thread...SPOILERS

Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:41 pm to
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:41 pm to
The innocence advocacy group is also trying to check on whether or not Hae was sexually assaulted. Apparently a spring of murders involving asian females happen around that time.

I feel like SK tried to ground peoples expectations with this recent episode. Can't really blame people for being overly excited. Especially when we went two weeks without an episode.

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Id like to point out that there are 2 types of spoilers. Talking about the episode is one and im cool with that. Doing research that tells about stuff that is out in front of the episode is not cool.



I don't really get where you are going with this. For one thing, this isn't like a TV series or movie. New information on the case can be found anywhere online. It's an on going discussion.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:45 pm to
wow that laywer was a fricking crook
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 10:52 pm to
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This jury (I'm not sure of their racial makeup, but that's very important) was forced to listen to some woman yell at a poor black kid for days and days, and I think that had a huge impact.

I was discussing this with a friend of mine who originally thought race had very little to do with this case. It's pretty clear now that many of the jury members sided with Jay because they probably knew someone like him in their neighborhood. Adnan was viewed as an outsider and the prosecution only inflamed this mindset.

CG definitely botched this case. Her argument style is extremely over the top. I hated the way she handled finding out that Jay received a new attorney pro bono. She didn't need to exaggerate that new piece of evidence at all.

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To add, I hope Sarah spends the remaining episodes focusing on corruption and our legal system. We've heard enough about the minutiae of the case. At this point we won't learn anything new unless someone has some shocking information.
The next episode is titled "Rumors" which has been wondering where SK could be going with this. I do believe that we'll get more than 12 episode for season one. Especially with active investigations happening.

Nevertheless, the three key people we really need to hear from won't speak on the record [2 detectives & Jay]. I'd love to know what was said during the 7hrs of unrecorded conversation.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 12:03 am to
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CG definitely botched this case. Her argument style is extremely over the top. I hated the way she handled finding out that Jay received a new attorney pro bono. She didn't need to exaggerate that new piece of evidence at all.


I agree that her personality probably hurt Adnan; however, as I understood it, her response to the information about Jay's attorney happened outside the purview of the jury. Basically the information and her response were not known to them. Maybe I have that incorrect though.
Posted by JBeam
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 12:48 am to
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as I understood it, her response to the information about Jay's attorney happened outside the purview of the jury. Basically the information and her response were not known to them. Maybe I have that incorrect though.


You are correct.

I do believe that her outburst infront of the GJ didn't help her much.
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 12/6/14 at 10:29 am to
SK said CG discussed the plea deal / attorney issue both in front of the jury and in private with the judge.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:00 am to
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The next episode is titled "Rumors" which has been wondering where SK could be going with this


Sounds like we're going to get some analysis on Adnan's personality in the next episode. SK said something about a psychopath.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 8:59 pm to
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Sounds like we're going to get some analysis on Adnan's personality in the next episode. SK said something about a psychopath.


That's kind of what I'm thinking as well.

Crazy how no one at that law firm called ole girl out about not being able to do her job. Sucks she fleeced all those people for money, but at least they got some back from the state.
Posted by tylercsbn9
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 9:03 pm to
What did Adnans lawyer die from? Drug related? I assume that played into it with her wanting cash money all the time.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 10:24 pm to
Looks like she had MS. LINK
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:34 am to
Adnan guilty as frick.

What does everybody else think so far?
Posted by Kayhill Brown
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:32 am to
I've had my doubts about whether he did it.

The one thing that screws with my head about this case is that Jay knew where the car was. That has to either mean Adnan did it or Adnan didn't do it and Jay had WAY more to do with this. But it just seems like no one thoroughly explored that second possibility.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:37 pm to
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Adnan guilty as frick.

What does everybody else think so far?


I just don't see how one can make such an absolute judgement one way or the other. He may be guilty, but I have seen nothing that proves that beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted by tccdc
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2007
3573 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 12:59 pm to
Like others...

There is no way that he should have been convicted.

Then again, there has been nothing that says he should get out of jail now.

Only thing I know for sure, is that both Adnan and Jay know a lot more than what we have heard to date.
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:45 pm to
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The one thing that screws with my head about this case is that Jay knew where the car was. That has to either mean Adnan did it or Adnan didn't do it and Jay had WAY more to do with this. But it just seems like no one thoroughly explored that second possibility.


ABSOLUTELY THIS!

And I feel like this was just mentioned and ignored. It's something I've never been able to get past, and there doesn't seem to be any sort of explanation for it.
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:52 pm to
Just listened to the first 10 episodes today. Very effective and engrossing storytelling by SK.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:08 pm to
Will we ever hear back from that team at the law school that specializes in getting not guilty people out of prison? I would really like to hear their assessment.
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:02 pm to
I don't think there's any question that Adnan is guilty of something. Either Jay or Adnan or both are guilty. It doesn't make sense to me that "the true killer," Jay, would hang out with Adnan all day the same day he killed Hae, unless Adnan were involved somehow.

What really haunts me if Jay's response to SK's inquiry a couple episodes ago: "if Adnan didn't kill Hae, then who did?"

Is this a question Hae's killer asks?

Is this a question someone who has certain knowledge of Adnan's guilt asks?
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:20 pm to
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I don't think there's any question that Adnan is guilty of something. Either Jay or Adnan or both are guilty.

I agree that it seems both were at least involved in the death or the immediate aftermath. I also wouldn't doubt that a third-party was involved.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 6:52 pm to
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I don't think there's any question that Adnan is guilty of something.


say what
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