re: Official Fantastic Four Review/RT 9%(SPOILERS!!!)-(by Fox)

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RIP Trank's career

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everyone said the same thing about Ang Lee after the Hulk and then he made Brokeback mountain.

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everyone said the same thing about Ang Lee after the Hulk a

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Ang Lee didnt melt down on set to the point he was replaced or publicly rip the movie the night before it opened.

Right now Trank has set himself on a Troy Duffy-esque path.

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everyone said the same thing about Ang Lee after the Hulk and then he made Brokeback mountain.

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Ang Lee had also made Sense and Sensibility as well as Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon before he did Hulk.

Those were two critically acclaimed films that received a lot of Oscar buzz. Sense and Sensibility was nominated for 7 Academy Awards (winning for its Screenplay) and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was nominated for 10 Academy Awards and won 4.

One flop was not going to kill his career. Spielberg recovered nicely after the failure of 1941 as he made Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T. back-to-back.

if true these two tweets by Josh Friedman are depressing and funny at the same time




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this is supposedly the description of the Thing falling from the chopper scene we can see in previews that was cut from the final movie

for those that have seen the movie, it was supposed to go right after Reed runs away and just before we see Tim Blake Nelson talking to military brass about how great the Thing is at killing bad guys. Basically this as supposed to replace the second "XXX years later" time jump.

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After that, the team wakes up in a medical facility. The military has moved in and taken control of the situation. Richards goes fugitive, but the other three agree to serve the government as special ops soldiers. In the movie, we get a title card indicating a year has passed, then see a group of generals watching surveillance footage of the team – again, minus Mr. Fantastic – attacking tanks and taking out bad guys.

Critics have complained that the movie lacks action, and sources close to the project confirm that there was supposed to be a major fight sequence right in between.

That peculiar time-jump was always a part of the plan, and sources close to Trank say his idea was to race out of that disturbing accident scene and throw the audience into a major action sequence. Only after that would he play catch-up – explaining that the three were now unofficial super-soldiers working on behalf of the U.S. of A.

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A Chechen rebel camp in the wee hours of the night. There’s no explanation for where we are, but there are soldiers speaking a foreign language, and they are loading up some heavy-duty weaponry. Crews are filling truck beds with the gear, preparing to mobilize – then a siren goes off. Everyone freezes, and one by one they turn their faces to the sky. A stealth bomber whispers by overhead, and a large object falls from it, streaking through the air at great speed. The object – a bomb, a missile? – collides with the earth in the center of the camp, sending debris is all directions. The soldiers take cover, then tentatively emerge and walk toward the crater, where there is a giant pile of orange boulders. Slowly, the rocks begin to move on their own, becoming arms, legs, a torso, a head …

This rock-figure lumbers out of the smoke, and the soldiers level their weapons – then open fire. As The Thing lurches into view, bullets spark and ping off his impenetrable exterior. Rather than some elegant, balletic action sequence, The Thing moves slowly and deliberately. He’s in no hurry. The storytelling goal was to show the futility of firepower against him as he casually demolishes the terrorists. It’s a blue-collar kind of heroism. When it becomes clear this rock-beast cannot be stopped, the surviving Chechen rebels make a run for it – and that’s when a hail of gunfire finishes them off. From the shadows of the surrounding forest, a team of Navy SEALS emerge with their guns drawn and smoking. The cavalry has arrived, but the enemy has already been subdued. The film would then have shifted to a bird’s-eye view of the camp, an aerial shot showing waves of American soldiers flooding in to secure the base. Just when it appears the American soldiers may be ready to clash with the rock monster, The Thing gives them a solemn nod, and they clear a path. He lumbers past them, almost sadly, a heartsick warrior. Then he boards a large helicopter and is lifted away.

Only then does the movie cut to that conference room, where Tim Blake Nelson’s Dr. Allen is crowing to his military overlords about how this mutated team of scientists is helping do the heavy lifting for America’s rank-and-file soldiers.

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Most of EW’s sources agree, with tiny variations, that this scene is what audiences were meant to see. But the reason it was only in the trailer, and not the finished film, is where opinions diverge.

Those close to Fox say Trank was indecisive, and couldn’t figure out if he needed the scene, going back and forth before finally deciding it wasn’t necessary. They cite it as another example of a director out-of-control, unsure of what he wants or how to execute it.

Others close to Trank say the filmmaker always wanted the sequence, but was forced to cut it when the studio pared back the budget at the start of production. They say Trank created a detailed previsualization of the scene – essentially, an animated version of what it should look like – that allows digital artists to begin creating effects.

Late in production, when Fox executives realized they had a comic-book movie in dire need of action, sources sympathetic to Trank say they agreed to finance the scene – but Trank was not allowed to participate in the filming. As a result, the crew returned with footage shot in documentary hand-held style – which didn’t match the previsualization, or the planned digital effects, and also clashed with the visual style of the rest of the movie.

At that point, according to sources close to Trank, the exasperated director chose to kill the scene entirely.

It’s impossible to tell who’s at fault, but there’s no denying the scene would have delivered a visceral jolt just as the movie’s pace was beginning to flag.

As for the trailer, someone decided the scene was good enough to sell the movie, but not good enough to make the final cut.

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after having seen the movie yesterday while I was laid up in bed (car got totaled in a wreck and now my back is sore like mother fricker) I'm not really sure if it would have helped all that much.

It would have given it another action scene but nothing could have changed how abrupt the ending is or that the first hour or so a the film meanders along w/extremely weak characterization or that its just a plain bad adaptation of the source material.

are cut scenes really a big deal to people? plenty of movies will use an outtake or cut scene in a trailer. is this just an issue because of how bad FF was and people are justing using it as an example of the shite storm production was?

i dont think ive seen any other movie panned for not using a scene in the trailer.

article is kinda long, I'll post a few highlights
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What Was FANTASTIC FOUR Like Before Simon Kinberg?

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Slater’s script is closer in tone and action to a Marvel movie, with big action and lots of character interplay. It’s maybe a little overstuffed, featuring the origin of the Fantastic Four, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Mole Man, Herbie the Robot and even the FantastiCar, and containing a central action set piece in the streets of New York City against a gigantic Moloid that eats Ben Grimm.

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In the script the Quantum Gate is very much that - a rip in space through which a module is passed on a big hydraulic arm. When the team gets through to the Negative Zone Von Doom gotta Von Doom - he pushes Ben aside and puts the first footprint in the dust.

What they find is not the empty broken landscape of the film but rather an alien city. The city is full of skeletons, non-human things that have been killed in some cataclysm. As the team explores the ruins they come upon an amphitheater full of corpses and something else. Something huge, and something wearing battle armor with two blades coming out of either side of its helmet.

The huge thing - Galactus, for those not in the know - chases the three explorers. He shoots Dark Matter out of his hands, enveloping and seemingly killing Victor. Reed and Ben make it to the module but it’s not working; on the other side of the portal Sue is working feverishly to fix the circuitry that won’t allow the module to return home. Galactus nears as Sue finally fixes the machine, and he blasts the module with Dark Matter - but the Dark Matter hits the Quantum Gate and there’s a reaction and the entire team - the two in the module and the two in the lab - are pelted with some kind of cosmic madness.

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Sue and Johnny stop the Shock Troopers - the script says that Sue is like an Amazonian warrior, just destroying dudes - when Reed shows up too late to warn them. But not too late to see that injected Moloid, now giant, burst out of the ground. Ben, who happens to be nearby looking at puppies in a pet shop window, hears the commotion and runs over. The team engage the giant Moloid, as seen on the cover of Fantastic Four number one, in a fight that is both exciting and humorous. Ben gets swallowed and tries to fight his way out; when he finally gets to the Moloids mouth he sees that Reed has slingshotted a bus at the creature and Johnny has set it on fire and it is heading right towards the mouth - and Ben.

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I'd probably watch this movie.

That script sounds awesome. It is such a disappointed with how thia movie turned out. Fox needs to reach an agreement with Marvel tomorrow. We need Galactus to really up the danger in Avengers 3, and Doom would be the perfect foe to carry the torch from Thanos. Would anyone be surprised if Doom figured out how to steal the power from Thanos and be that new super threat?

Someone make it happen.

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Would anyone be surprised if Doom figured out how to steal the power from Thanos and be that new super threat?

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I doubt be he'd ever get the thing to work.....

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doubt Trank or Fox wanted anything to do with a script like that.

That reads like a movie that would cost $200m+ just to put on film.

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That's not as crazy as it seems and pretty common. A studio spent 360 million on the resent pirates of the carribean movies.

Also over 200 million:

3 more pirates of the carrribean movies
Spider-Man 3
Xmen 3

They could've and shouldve made that script.