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Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:06 pm to BulldogXero
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The New Republic lasts all of 30 years before being blown up
Well, the Empire itself only lasted 25 and some change years until the Emperor was killed and the remnants driven away to form the First Order.
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Chief among them being establishing the capital city on Coruscant not "Hosnian Prime." I can think of two reasons why the didn't. Number 1 is just Disney avoiding anything to do with the PT. Number 2 is that we will see the planet in Episode 8 or 9.
Isn't the story on the New Republic that they rotate capital worlds every few years based on elections?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:13 pm to lagallifrey
quote:Or the last Jedi, really. It's the second movie. The title could refer to a time of desperation.
The last Jedi does not mean the last force user,
quote:And your mother needs to move out of my servant's quarters.
The Jedi needed to go.
No Jedi. No Star Wars. Might as well just remake Battle Beyond the Stars.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:17 pm to blueboy
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And your mother needs to move out of my servant's quarters. No Jedi. No Star Wars. Might as well just remake Battle Beyond the Stars.
The Jedi order, with its specific philosophy and practice, not the force. The movies have shown the problems created by the Jedi order, and part of Anakin's destiny was to remedy that.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:39 pm to lagallifrey
quote:Only the shitty ones.
The movies have shown the problems created by the Jedi order
Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:46 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Well, the Empire itself only lasted 25 and some change years until the Emperor was killed and the remnants driven away to form the First Order.
The Empire was one in the same with the Old Republic.
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Isn't the story on the New Republic that they rotate capital worlds every few years based on elections?
I don't know if it's based on elections (if so, what election?), but that is true. The capital does rotate. I think that is a stupid idea though. Coruscant is quite literally and figuratively the center of the galaxy. In the early days it makes sense as the Empire still had a hold on the planet, but after a certain point in time, it only makes sense to establish the home of the New Republic at the center of galactic commerce.
Then, if Disney really wants to throw a finger at the prequel trilogy, it makes far more sense to blow up Coruscant which is a planet we have spent far more time on between Episodes 1, 2, 3, and TCW cartoon series. It would have hit home much harder than blowing up some planet to which we lack any emotional attachment. At least when they blew up Alderaan, we knew that was Leia's home so while we didn't get to see the planet itself until much later when Episode 3 released (and then only briefly), we still felt something. None of the characters in TFA had any attachment to Hosnian Prime except for Leia and that's really only explained in the books.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 2:20 pm to BulldogXero
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The Empire was one in the same with the Old Republic.
I feel like this is inaccurate. They operated, controlled, and wielded power much differently.
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I don't know if it's based on elections (if so, what election?), but that is true. The capital does rotate. I think that is a stupid idea though. Coruscant is quite literally and figuratively the center of the galaxy. In the early days it makes sense as the Empire still had a hold on the planet, but after a certain point in time, it only makes sense to establish the home of the New Republic at the center of galactic commerce.
Hey, it's an original idea in a movie that gets shite on pretty often around here for being unoriginal. I'm sorry they didn't bore us all with the minutia of the political workings of the New Republic. And I'm pretty sure Hosnian Prime is still within the Core Worlds. Capitals have moved throughout history as a nation or state grows, it's not unprecedented. I suppose the US should move the capital city to New York City seeing as that seems to be the center of commerce for the US.
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if Disney really wants to throw a finger at the prequel trilogy
Who says they want to do that? They do, if fact, own the prequels now, correct?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 3:16 pm to Sasquatch Smash
The Force Awakens The Last Jedi.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:00 pm to SpqrTiger
so if it's good I'll call this one "jedi" and call return of the Jedi "ewoks"
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:01 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Who says they want to do that? They do, if fact, own the prequels now, correct?
I think Disney is very interested in distancing themselves from the prequel trilogy at least in the short term.
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I feel like this is inaccurate. They operated, controlled, and wielded power much differently.
It's basically like when Rome went from being a republic to an empire. Rome didn't cease to exist as a nation. The style of government just changed.
The Empire was born out of the infrastructure of the Old Republic. I wouldn't imagine there was much difference in the Empire and the final days of the Old Republic as a practical matter. The Chancellor could already do whatever he wanted after being granted emergency powers and he also had an army. The Empire was likely much more overt with abuses of power than the Republic and much more authoritarian, but there probably wasn't much of a difference for the average joe at least not until the Emperor dissolved the Imperial Senate around the time of Episode 4.
The Aftermath and Bloodlines books expand on this a pretty good bit, but it's safe to say that while the New Republic obtained its military power from the Rebellion, not only did they essentially invent a brand new government from scratch but they had to convince systems to forgo independence or leave the Empire and join the New Republic.
All worlds that were once members of the Old Republic were already members of the Empire from the very start.
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Hey, it's an original idea in a movie that gets shite on pretty often around here for being unoriginal. I'm sorry they didn't bore us all with the minutia of the political workings of the New Republic. And I'm pretty sure Hosnian Prime is still within the Core Worlds. Capitals have moved throughout history as a nation or state grows, it's not unprecedented. I suppose the US should move the capital city to New York City seeing as that seems to be the center of commerce for the US.
I wished they would have. Not giving us any information on the politics of the New Republic or Hosnian Prime in general is in my view just another way to avoid comparisons with the Prequel Trilogy.
I don't think comparing the US with the Star Wars galaxy is a fair comparison. Washington DC and New York City are still on the same planet. I would assume the Republic would choose to consolidate their power in a single area the same as the Empire and the Republic before it, and it has already been established that the capital of the Republic is the home of the Republic fleet. The original capital of the New Republic (Chandrilla(SP?)) makes a lot of sense given that it's Mon Mothma's home planet and she was the first chancellor. It makes far more sense to stay there (historical significance) or move to Coruscant than to move the capital to some random never before heard of location. I do leave open the possibility for future EU content to expand on the founding of the New Republic so it's possible that some day it will make a lot more sense than it currently does.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:11 pm to BulldogXero
Whole bunch of folks nerded out here.....
But, Kylo Ren is a jedi. A dark jedi, but a jedi, nonetheless. So....technically as of the end of TFA, Luke and Kylo are the only 2 jedi physically alive. Kylo gon kill Luke, hence the red outline....
But, Kylo Ren is a jedi. A dark jedi, but a jedi, nonetheless. So....technically as of the end of TFA, Luke and Kylo are the only 2 jedi physically alive. Kylo gon kill Luke, hence the red outline....
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:14 pm to AUjim
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But, Kylo Ren is a jedi. A dark jedi, but a jedi, nonetheless.
No.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:15 pm to lagallifrey
This is a great title. This will be Luke's movie. I have full confidence Rian Johnson will knock this out of the park.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:45 pm to SpqrTiger
I don't have time to read the entire thread right now so I'm sure that this has been brought up but Jedi is singular and plural. The title could refer to Luke and Rey.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 4:58 pm to Scoop
Appreciate the downvote.
There could be one Jedi or 60 Jedi and they could legitimately be referred to as the "last Jedi."
I feel like the title is a call back to Yoda telling Luke that when he died Luke would be the last Jedi but the title alone is ambiguous on it's own.
There could be one Jedi or 60 Jedi and they could legitimately be referred to as the "last Jedi."
I feel like the title is a call back to Yoda telling Luke that when he died Luke would be the last Jedi but the title alone is ambiguous on it's own.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:02 pm to Scoop
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There could be one Jedi or 60 Jedi and they could legitimately be referred to as the "last Jedi."
Only 2 full-fledged Jedi survived Order 66.
Ahsoka Tano left the order: Not a Jedi
Kanan Jarrus didn't complete his training under a Jedi master: Not an official Jedi
Ezra Bridger has Jedi training, but isn't a Jedi
Luke Skywalker was fully trained, albeit abbreviated, by the Jedi Grandmaster, and is therefore a Jedi
Therefore in this stage of the story only those who completed training under Luke Skywalker can be Jedi.
The same can be said about the Sith.
Maul was no longer a Darth after his apparent death. "Once a Darth, now just Maul"
Ventress was never made a Darth. She was merely a skilled assassin. Same with Savage Oppress
Tyranus (Dooku) was killed by Anakin (Vader) who became the next apprentice.
It's unclear after both master and apprentice were killed in the 2nd Death Star whether or not there are still Sith. Neither Snoke nor Kylo Ren (Ben Solo) have been officially named Darth ____.
Think of it the way you look at Master Sergeants and/or Sergeants Major. All Army E8s are Master Sergeants, but only those that are First Sergeants can wear the diamond between their chevrons. Same with Sergeants Major. All Army E9s are Sergeants Major. Only those in Command Billets wear the wreath around the star and only the Sergeant Major of the Army wears 2 stars.
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:09 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Only 2 full-fledged Jedi survived Order 66.
This is not true. The clone troopers planted a false signal at the Jedi temple telling the Jedi to come home because the war had ended. The Jedi who weren't massacred by clone troopers would return to the Jedi Temple until Obi-Wan and Yoda re-calibrated the code, warning surviving Jedi to stay away. I do not know if there are any canon sources of Darth Vader hunting Jedi down after Order 66, but it's safe to assume that there were at least some Jedi who escaped into hiding in the years after Revenge of the Sith.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:12 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Only 2 full-fledged Jedi survived Order 66.
No.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 5:21 pm to BulldogXero
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I do not know if there are any canon sources of Darth Vader hunting Jedi down after Order 66
There are two books that detail this. Caleb Dune (Kanan Jarrus) was the only one besides Kenobi and Yoda to survive "the Jedi Purge" that didn't join the Empire becoming an inquisitor and he did that for over 10 years.
Some claimed that the "seventh sister" was an older version of Barriss Offee.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 6:11 pm to BulldogXero
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I think Disney is very interested in distancing themselves from the prequel trilogy at least in the short term.
Distancing themselves from the prequels is a bit different than saying "frick you" to it like you originally suggested.
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It's basically like when Rome went from being a republic to an empire. Rome didn't cease to exist as a nation. The style of government just changed.
So...it wasn't the same, right?
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The Empire was likely much more overt with abuses of power than the Republic and much more authoritarian, but there probably wasn't much of a difference for the average joe at least not until the Emperor dissolved the Imperial Senate around the time of Episode 4.
Tell that to the Wookies and all the other races or planets that were enslaved or had their resources stripped once the Empire came into power, long before the original film.
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I don't think comparing the US with the Star Wars galaxy is a fair comparison. Washington DC and New York City are still on the same planet.
Yet you can use Rome as an analogy? When you have a galaxy where ships can travel from system to system in a matter of hours, how is that any different than comparing New York City to D.C.? Cities separated by a three hour train ride or a four hour car ride. It's the exact same thing only with different scales and technologies.
I'm not saying it all makes sense or couldn't have been explained better, but it's not some totally retarded idea or anything.
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