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Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:35 pm to
Posted by Blue Velvet
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 7:35 pm to
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Really? I wasn't aware that comic book movies is what is keeping us from finding the cure to cancer.
They're causing cancer
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:02 pm to
I thoroughly enjoyed it until that event. I was like Wtf.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 8:12 pm to
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Jessica Jones


Was a very overrated series.
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:43 pm to
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My problem with Luke Cage is you've got a guy that bullets bounce off of.


Those Allen bullets, though
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:41 am to
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Just out of curiosity, how many of the critics are ones panning it for the "cultural appropriation" of martial arts or feeding into the crap about the casting being "whitewashing"?


Wasn't Danny Rand a white guy in the Marvel comic? If so, how can it be "whitewashing" when the original character is white?

Marvel has made some pretty diverse casting choices in the Thor movie series by casting black actors to play Norse gods.
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:06 am to
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Was a very overrated series.


Kilgrave and the hot friend carried that show. The chick playing Jessica was horrible. The whole Jessica is magically unaffected was also kind of bad. They should have at least tried to imply a reason for it
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:25 am to
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The whole Jessica is magically unaffected was also kind of bad. They should have at least tried to imply a reason for it


They did. The willpower it took for her to overcome it the first time is what helped her not succumb to it the second time.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:30 am to
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quote:
Jessica Jones


Was a very overrated series.

I could never get into the show no matter how much I tried.
Posted by YNWA
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:37 am to
David Tennant was great. Great facial expressions, the eyes. He can carry a scene just by his expressions and facial features alone. Only episodes of the modern day Doctor Who I watch are his. His characters are very believable.
Posted by TN Bhoy
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:41 am to
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Jessica Jones



Was a very overrated series.



Show lost me when they showed that Kilgrave didn't know the difference between right and wrong and Jessica decided to be a selfish a-hole.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:03 pm to
Finn bitching and moaning to the press and social media hasn't helped this series.

Now it's Trump souring the waters for billionaire superheroes.

quote:

"I think the world has changed a lot since we were filming that television show. I’m playing a white American billionaire superhero, at a time when the white American billionaire archetype is public enemy number one, especially in the US. We filmed the show way before Trump’s election, and I think it’s very interesting to see how that perception, now that Trump’s in power, how it makes it very difficult to root for someone coming from white privilege, when that archetype is public enemy number one. Danny is a fish out of water, and you don’t really understand where he’s coming from. But I think there’s also a level of intrigue. People need to see the full series–’Iron Fist’ doesn’t end until the last episode of ‘Defenders.’ He really goes on a journey of self-discovery, and grows into the role. It’s paced out; it’s a long journey."


LINK
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:27 pm to
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Show lost me when they showed that Kilgrave didn't know the difference between right and wrong

That was the best scene in the show
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:14 pm to
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"I think the world has changed a lot since we were filming that television show. I’m playing a white American billionaire superhero, at a time when the white American billionaire archetype is public enemy number one, especially in the US. We filmed the show way before Trump’s election, and I think it’s very interesting to see how that perception, now that Trump’s in power, how it makes it very difficult to root for someone coming from white privilege, when that archetype is public enemy number one. Danny is a fish out of water, and you don’t really understand where he’s coming from. But I think there’s also a level of intrigue. People need to see the full series–’Iron Fist’ doesn’t end until the last episode of ‘Defenders.’ He really goes on a journey of self-discovery, and grows into the role. It’s paced out; it’s a long journey."


Oh, so he's going to go the Ghostbusters route and blame everyone who doesn't like the show.
Posted by Jamohn
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:37 pm to
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the first half of LC was fantastic... then it got boring. quick.


We have a now Oscar winning actor playing our lead villain? Awesome, let's kill him half way through.

Let's be honest though-- Mahershala Ali was Kevin Durant at Rucker Park with that cast. He was so far out of everyone else's league on screen that it made it borderline awkward. No one had near the chops to stand on stage with him. Only one close to his level was Frankie Faison's Pop, but he wasn't around long anyway.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:49 pm to
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how it makes it very difficult to root for someone coming from white privilege, when that archetype is public enemy number one.

Last I checked, the public still loves Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:22 pm to
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MCU honeymoon finally coming to an end?


8.5 years of a honeymoon is a nice long honeymoon.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:58 pm to
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That was the best scene in the show


But it meant that Kilgrave wasn't culpable for his actions. And when Jessica decides to be a selfish a-hole at the end of the episode, she actually becomes culpable for all of Kilgrave's actions after that moment.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:14 pm to
Daredevil is great when it is an action show. Of course Fisk is great. . .but so are Ben Urich, Stick, and (at times) Karen Page.

Season 2 was at it's worst when the focus was on Daredevil and Elektra. Punisher and Fisk were great. Stick has basically become Ras Al Ghul, motivationally (and it is awful). Elektra is Annakin Skywalker. Fisk is good. Page becomes insufferable and annoying.

Jessica Jones, on the other hand is insufferable without Tenant. All of the characters are awful. But Tenant is so great that he makes the entire show watchable

Luke Cage sucked after Cottonmouth dies. They need to develop Mariah better, and I think they set her up well at the end. I think she will be the villain she is in the comics. . .which will be great.

I am hopeful for Iron Fist. It isn't Batman Begins, BB was trying to be Iron Fist.

Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 8:51 am to
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I still haven't watched Luke Cage yet because I heard it wasn't that good. I'm guessing by your comment that I made the right choice?


~shrug~

I liked Luke Cage, but I get it might not be for everyone. I think Jessica Jones was a better fit with the much darker story element. Hers and Daredevil have been better at conveying the very dark themes that are part of the Hell's Kitchen segment of the Marvel Universe. Luke Cage's power level forced them to go a bit hokey near the end just to give him a good opponent.

As far as "whitewashing", it's the same complaint that people give about the Ghost in the Shell movie... ignoring the fact that Japanese people themselves are basically saying, "Um, the character is depicted as WHITE in the anime". Mostly because the Japanese could give a rat's arse what a person looks like in their anime.

This is Iron Fist:



A better question might be why the guy isn't as buff as the original.
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