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re: Mark Hamill confirmed for Batman: The Killing Joke
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:30 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:30 am to GeauxTigerTM
Looking at the scene with batman reaching towards the joker, his hand is no where near his neck. I have to agree with the leaning/laughing theory.
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:32 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Just have the same frames but with the mud moving across the line and the light fading out. It'll be tough, but it has to end that way.
The quiet, single frames lend themselves to wondering what happened inbetween frames. How do you get that same ambiguity with moving images?
With how great DC Animated is, I have faith they can pull it off.
On a different note, anyone getting Gods and Monsters today? I really want to see the different take on the big 3.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:39 am to BluegrassBelle
That pic in OP is perfect and awesome
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:37 am to Bamatab
quote:The whole point was that Batman wanted to not kill Joker, but he failed. That's why he's laughing at the end. He's crossed over and completely turned crazy. The joke told at the end was about a guy who wants to save someone, but the person being saved doesn't trust him because he's worried he might kill him. That's what the story is about. Batman acts like he wants to help Joker, but he's just as crazy as he is. He ends up killing him.
then it would go against the whole Gordon storyline
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:40 am to finchmeister08
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Looking at the scene with batman reaching towards the joker, his hand is no where near his neck. I have to agree with the leaning/laughing theory.
It's not even about this. Listen to the joke at the end. The story is called "The Killing Joke". That's what happened at the end.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:52 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
Third is they've arrived and the sirens are off and the cycle is set to start over again with Joker in custody as Gordon wanted.
Love the ambiguity of the ending, but I have to agree with this.
Particularly this part:
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the cycle is set to start over again
Look at the first panel in the comic that's not a title page:
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:56 am to abellsujr
I get it now. Or at least in my interpretation. He didn't kill him there at that specific time, just just knew that one day, batman would have to kill him.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 1:16 pm to Green Chili Tiger
This is a pretty compelling argument. I can see it that way. I still think he killed him, but that is a compelling argument.
but that is a compelling argument. 
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:21 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I think that settles the cycle continuing argument. It's literally the same panel that started the graphic novel.
It ended where it started, nothing was really accomplished other than the pain the Joker caused others.
He will get out again. I think this story is cannon, as Barbara is crippled from here on out and serves as Oracle.
It ended where it started, nothing was really accomplished other than the pain the Joker caused others.
He will get out again. I think this story is cannon, as Barbara is crippled from here on out and serves as Oracle.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:49 pm to Napoleon
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I think that settles the cycle continuing argument. It's literally the same panel that started the graphic novel.
It ended where it started, nothing was really accomplished other than the pain the Joker caused others.
That's how I always interpreted it. The cycle repeats with more pain and no final resolution, which is the killing joke.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:06 pm to Green Chili Tiger
for as absolutely crazy Moore got, he really was a master of putting together a finite story. I have yet to see another writer really use the panels as part of the story as well as him. its what makes watchmen the GOAT. this is just another great example.
he is very symmetrical and meticulous about his imagery.
he is very symmetrical and meticulous about his imagery.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:27 pm to schexyoung
quote:Except for me that's a joke where nobody dies. I don't see how that's a "killing" joke.
The cycle repeats with more pain and no final resolution, which is the killing joke.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:35 pm to abellsujr
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I don't see how that's a "killing" joke.
i dont think its meant to be literal. moore usually never is.
it could refer to the killing of batman's soul or mission. as he will never be able to stop the joker and will continue to fail. his attempts are one big joke, which many will die from.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 4:57 pm to BlacknGold
quote:
for as absolutely crazy Moore got, he really was a master of putting together a finite story. I have yet to see another writer really use the panels as part of the story as well as him. its what makes watchmen the GOAT. this is just another great example.
he is very symmetrical and meticulous about his imagery.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:05 pm to BlacknGold
quote:Yea, I definitely think there are good arguments on both sides. I believe it can be interpreted either way. To some, the arguments on one side may make more sense than the arguments on the other. I just think with the joke that the Joker told and Batman laughing at the end, it points to him killing him. That just fits better IMO.
it could refer to the killing of batman's soul or mission. as he will never be able to stop the joker and will continue to fail. his attempts are one big joke, which many will die from.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:38 pm to abellsujr
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:48 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:31 pm to abellsujr
I just don't understand why Batman would laugh at that.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:42 pm to finchmeister08
IMO, he's laughing because he's finally gone over the edge. Him and Joker are on the same level. Arkham Knight tried to incorporate some of those aspects.
ETA: Joker says the joke reminds him of their situation. They're both lunatics. I think Batman was finally saying "You're right, that is exactly like this situation."
ETA: Joker says the joke reminds him of their situation. They're both lunatics. I think Batman was finally saying "You're right, that is exactly like this situation."
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:44 pm to abellsujr
Exactly. Joker broke him. He's laughing because he finally realized the only way to beat him is to kill him.
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