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re: Mad Men S7E1 - "Time Zones" (SPOILERS)
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:36 am to cjared036
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:36 am to cjared036
quote:
can someone catch me up on the Bob Benson story line... He is still in the picture right?
I'm trying to figure out what happened to the company. WHo is peggy's new boss?
Also, what is the deal with Roger Sterling? Is he having orgies with hookers? Did he quit his job?
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:17 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:
I'm trying to figure out what happened to the company. WHo is peggy's new boss?
Also, what is the deal with Roger Sterling? Is he having orgies with hookers? Did he quit his job?
Did y'all miss the second half of last season?
The company went out west because of Sunkist and a few other accounts. Originally Stan wanted to go out west and create something on his own for SC&P. Then Don jumped into the driver seat because he wanted to get away from Sylva & the lifestyle in NYC. In the end, Ted ended up taking over the creative in CA [Mainly to getaway from Peggy and gain a fresh start].
quote:It's Lou Avery. He was featured in the Season 6 finale after the partners decided to place Don on hiatus. He also was at the airport while Don & Roger were heading out to visit Chevy [Remember when SC&P lost the Vick's account?].
WHo is peggy's new boss?
quote:Roger's just experimenting with drugs once again. He doesn't have a wife anymore and his daughter just uses him [up until last nights brunch scene]. He hasn't quit his job.
Also, what is the deal with Roger Sterling? Is he having orgies with hookers? Did he quit his job?
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:22 pm to cjared036
quote:
can someone catch me up on the Bob Benson story line... He is still in the picture right?
Bob is in Detroit handling the Chevy account.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 12:29 pm to TigerCub
As I understand it we are in January of 1969. We saw Nixon's first inaugural, and mention of the fact hat Don was on hiatus when the company handled Super Bowl 3 without him. (Somewhat surprised they glossed over Broadway Joe and that super bowl in that way).
Don has been on Hiatus since Thanksgiving day 1968. So we only jumped ahead about 2 months.
LA:
Ted
Pete
Meghan
Detroit:
Bob Benson
NY:
Cutler
Crane
Kenny
Stan
Pegs
Don
Roger
New guy Avery
Ginsberg
Joan
Don has been on Hiatus since Thanksgiving day 1968. So we only jumped ahead about 2 months.
LA:
Ted
Pete
Meghan
Detroit:
Bob Benson
NY:
Cutler
Crane
Kenny
Stan
Pegs
Don
Roger
New guy Avery
Ginsberg
Joan
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:31 pm to CrippleCreek
I still think my prediction is on track.
This show is heading towards the shitter but it will allow our favorite characters to pull out.
It's about how the 60s were supposed to be the glorious next episode of the Leave it to Beaver 50s. Wars are over. Money's to be made. Women are more promiscuous while also rising in the work force.
But it's all a facade. Everything good about the 60s has had a negative spin in this show. Civil Rights? Riots. World Wars over? Vietnam. Money? Doesn't buy anything substantial and seems to force people into working too much for superficial reasons. Women are more promiscuous? Your family is destroyed. Women in the work force? Didn't make Peggy any happier than being like her own mother or being a simple secretary.
But I really don't think this show ends with out favorite characters depressed and suicidal. Somehow it'll end happily.
This show is heading towards the shitter but it will allow our favorite characters to pull out.
It's about how the 60s were supposed to be the glorious next episode of the Leave it to Beaver 50s. Wars are over. Money's to be made. Women are more promiscuous while also rising in the work force.
But it's all a facade. Everything good about the 60s has had a negative spin in this show. Civil Rights? Riots. World Wars over? Vietnam. Money? Doesn't buy anything substantial and seems to force people into working too much for superficial reasons. Women are more promiscuous? Your family is destroyed. Women in the work force? Didn't make Peggy any happier than being like her own mother or being a simple secretary.
But I really don't think this show ends with out favorite characters depressed and suicidal. Somehow it'll end happily.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:02 pm to StringedInstruments
I am predicting that Don, Peggy, Joan, and Pete all end up in California. All four of them are horrible at relationships, but all fit together and need each other. I would hope that Freddie moves with them. Megan and Don either divorce or she is killed off a la Sharon Tate.
Ted will hate California and move back to NYC and take Don's position.
Roger will end up bankrolling Woodstock.
Ted will hate California and move back to NYC and take Don's position.
Roger will end up bankrolling Woodstock.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:09 pm to McVick
quote:
I am predicting that Don, Peggy, Joan, and Pete all end up in California.
Don't see that, but could see a split between agencies.
quote:
divorce or she is killed off a la Sharon Tate.
Yeah, definite foreshadowing with her living rural.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:30 pm to JBeam
CSI sucks too.
I haven't watched Mad Men for 7 years. Just the last 3 when I discovered that redheaded beauty.
I haven't watched Mad Men for 7 years. Just the last 3 when I discovered that redheaded beauty.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:50 pm to samson'sseed
quote:
samson'sseed
You and your wife sound like a lot of fun.
And Christina isn't getting naked in a show on AMC, so please stop watching now and GTFO of this thread.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:11 pm to JBeam
My thoughts on the episode after a second watch:
After my first watch I was completely lost. This episode was weird to me and didn't even feel like Mad Men at first. After I watched it the second time it all clicked (not that it was complicated in the first place, it was just odd).
The Don that we knew and loved is dead. I mean completely dead. EXCEPT his work. And he is holding onto that for dear life because he knows that's all he has and he's good at. I mean he is completely depressed and pathetic. We knew this was coming from last season as he spiraled out of control. He is swimming at rock bottom. I don't think it was an accident his kids were absent in this episode. I think that was on purpose to further show Don's emptiness. It's hard to convey being in "rock bottom" emotionally on screen because it is such an internal feeling. Heading towards rock bottom is much more visual and violent, but actually being there is a whole different game.
I do believe he is going to rise from this. A major hint dropped last night was Don's self-awareness. He was extremely candid about where he's at in life. I thought the scene with him and Neve on the plane was incredible. I loved how he told her he didn't want to have sex with her because of work. Is that because he knows work is all he has? Or is he in such a sad state that he can't even bring himself to cheat anymore? Or was he showing empathy because the story of the end of her husband really hit home for him? I think the answer to that question will be where Don heads as the finale nears.
With our other characters they packed a lot of information into one episode without sacrificing one of the storylines. I felt bad for Roger. I loved the Joan story. She is finally realizing her potential. Ken is miles away from the employee that never really cared and just wanted to be a writer. Chevy and Detroit has ruined him it appears. Pete was hilariously happy. I feel like that's almost a facade, but we'll see. We only saw him with Don this episode, so it could have been a front.
Peggy was the only area where I was kind of disappointed in the episode. I understand she is still reeling from the Ted fiasco. (What made this episode weird also was how short the time jump was. Usually we have a lot more time, but characters were still very much in the middle of their emotional states from last season) I really expected her to have strengthened away from Don. The thing with her and Lou is funny to me, because if you watch every other character around him they appear to love him and look a lot happier. This further highlights how only Peggy understood Don, and how happy the office is without him.
Overall, I enjoyed it for a Mad Men premiere. They are always on the slower side and everyone freaks out. Then the season picks up a lot of steam once the situations have been setup. I thought the whole thing with Freddy was wonderful and unexpected as well. I wonder what the Vegas odds would have been on him speaking first?
After my first watch I was completely lost. This episode was weird to me and didn't even feel like Mad Men at first. After I watched it the second time it all clicked (not that it was complicated in the first place, it was just odd).
The Don that we knew and loved is dead. I mean completely dead. EXCEPT his work. And he is holding onto that for dear life because he knows that's all he has and he's good at. I mean he is completely depressed and pathetic. We knew this was coming from last season as he spiraled out of control. He is swimming at rock bottom. I don't think it was an accident his kids were absent in this episode. I think that was on purpose to further show Don's emptiness. It's hard to convey being in "rock bottom" emotionally on screen because it is such an internal feeling. Heading towards rock bottom is much more visual and violent, but actually being there is a whole different game.
I do believe he is going to rise from this. A major hint dropped last night was Don's self-awareness. He was extremely candid about where he's at in life. I thought the scene with him and Neve on the plane was incredible. I loved how he told her he didn't want to have sex with her because of work. Is that because he knows work is all he has? Or is he in such a sad state that he can't even bring himself to cheat anymore? Or was he showing empathy because the story of the end of her husband really hit home for him? I think the answer to that question will be where Don heads as the finale nears.
With our other characters they packed a lot of information into one episode without sacrificing one of the storylines. I felt bad for Roger. I loved the Joan story. She is finally realizing her potential. Ken is miles away from the employee that never really cared and just wanted to be a writer. Chevy and Detroit has ruined him it appears. Pete was hilariously happy. I feel like that's almost a facade, but we'll see. We only saw him with Don this episode, so it could have been a front.
Peggy was the only area where I was kind of disappointed in the episode. I understand she is still reeling from the Ted fiasco. (What made this episode weird also was how short the time jump was. Usually we have a lot more time, but characters were still very much in the middle of their emotional states from last season) I really expected her to have strengthened away from Don. The thing with her and Lou is funny to me, because if you watch every other character around him they appear to love him and look a lot happier. This further highlights how only Peggy understood Don, and how happy the office is without him.
Overall, I enjoyed it for a Mad Men premiere. They are always on the slower side and everyone freaks out. Then the season picks up a lot of steam once the situations have been setup. I thought the whole thing with Freddy was wonderful and unexpected as well. I wonder what the Vegas odds would have been on him speaking first?
Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:57 pm to DallasTiger11
I think Peggy is more upset because she knows she's stuck. She doesn't have Don or Ted at work anymore. And she knows she could be doing the job ten times better than her current boss, who won't listen to anything she has to say.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:15 pm to DallasTiger11
quote:
I really expected her to have strengthened away from Don.
She did. She has good ideas and a strong hand in the office.
No one gives a shite. Even Stan doesn't give a shite. That's Peggy's deal. She cares DEEPLY about work. She wants to do a good job. She thinks it validates her life. That's how her character started. She wasn't just a secretary. She was a young woman with potential. She rose to a man's position. She became a top developer at a major New York firm.
She's slowly realizing it doesn't mean shite. She is nothing but a cranky old single bat in a crappy apartment with tenants who hate her. She used to be able to mask her own emotions by putting in 100% at work and feeling like it meant something especially when Don was there doing the exact same thing.
Now Lou's there, and Lou doesn't care. He doesn't want creative content. He wants fast, easy content that the client will lap up. Even her co-workers don't care. She needs everyone to care, and now that they don't, she breaks down every time she comes home to her empty, vapid New York City apartment.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 8:29 pm to StringedInstruments
Good point.
She has always turned to work to cure her loneliness. Don turns to the bottle and women. Both are realizing how empty this strategy is.
She has always turned to work to cure her loneliness. Don turns to the bottle and women. Both are realizing how empty this strategy is.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 9:17 pm to DallasTiger11
I found it interesting that the two women that Don encounters in the episode look similar to Megan and Betty. Older Megan=Neve Campbell, younger Betty=Real Estate Agent. I am sure that it doesn't mean much, but it might show parallels to his past and future. Neve Campbell's character is talking about outliving her older husband yet still looking for a good time, while Real Estate Agent and Pete representing Don and Betty's early relationship (both Pete and Don having previous marriages, moving cross country for new lives, etc.).
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:09 pm to Cosmo
quote:
Whats up with Roger's daughter? In a cult now?
I got a very Manson family vibe from her. She's either gonna go happy flower child or end up drinking purple koolaid.
Finally got to watch the episode. Enjoyed it. As said, your pretty standard slow Mad Men start but it had some good moments. Poor Roger and his life crisis.
Lost it when this happened..
Don out in the cold was a pretty poignant moment. Hopefully he's officially hit his rock bottom and is gonna crawl back out of the hole.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
Ken "Tap Dancin'" Cosgrove brought it. 
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Hopefully he's officially hit his rock bottom and is gonna crawl back out of the hole.
I don't think he's even close to bottom. He's probably about as good now as he's ever gonna get.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 10:38 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:
I don't think he's even close to bottom. He's probably about as good now as he's ever gonna get.
I dunno. He's on hiatus from the one thing that made him the "It" guy. His wife is garnering more success then he's seen in awhile and is living on a completely different coast. He continues to watch the world pass him by.
He can't even fix his sliding doors and he's feeding Freddy lines just to stay in the loop. shite isn't good for Don Draper. I thought the finale scene of the episode fits his predicament quite perfectly. He's quite literally being left out in the cold.
Now that's not to say he can't get lower because he obviously could. I'm just hoping this is as low as it gets for him.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 11:47 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:
I don't think he's even close to bottom.
Agreed. That will likely come from Megan dumping him or his daughter getting pregnant or something
quote:
He's probably about as good now as he's ever gonna get.
Disagree. You don't think Don is going to get back on track by the rest of this or next season? He will have some redemption.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 7:48 am to StringedInstruments
Bump cause I finally got around to watching this last night.
Don gives a shite. Thats what the firm is missing without Don there. No matter what was going on, Don always cared about the job. He told the cigarette company to GF. He told Jag to GF. He went and formed a partnership to get Chevy without even talking to the rest of the partners.
Hell, Don is feeding lines to his former underling just to stay in the game, because even after the bullshite that got pulled on him he still cares. And they aren't just lines, they are really, really good lines. Were talking vintage Draper.
Yeah, Dons not doing well, but I say Peggy plays a big role in the rise of Don Draper. Despite her hate for him, I think she's starting to realize that they are eerily the same, especially when it comes to work.
quote:
No one gives a shite. Even Stan doesn't give a shite. That's Peggy's deal. She cares DEEPLY about work. She wants to do a good job. She thinks it validates her life. That's how her character started. She wasn't just a secretary. She was a young woman with potential. She rose to a man's position. She became a top developer at a major New York firm.
Don gives a shite. Thats what the firm is missing without Don there. No matter what was going on, Don always cared about the job. He told the cigarette company to GF. He told Jag to GF. He went and formed a partnership to get Chevy without even talking to the rest of the partners.
Hell, Don is feeding lines to his former underling just to stay in the game, because even after the bullshite that got pulled on him he still cares. And they aren't just lines, they are really, really good lines. Were talking vintage Draper.
Yeah, Dons not doing well, but I say Peggy plays a big role in the rise of Don Draper. Despite her hate for him, I think she's starting to realize that they are eerily the same, especially when it comes to work.
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