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re: LOST is by far the best TV Series ever written
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:10 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:10 am to LanierSpots
I love LOST and it's probably in my top 5 best TV series but it is not the best. It might have been had the writers not stumbled around in the darkness trying to avoid the conjectures of its fervent fan base. To me the best TV series has to be Game of Thrones even if the final season doesn't live up to expectations which is doubtful given its consistency to date.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:30 am to LanierSpots
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ending was brilliantly written
The ending was a lame, lazy cop out.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:40 am to OMLandshark
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I'm the biggest LOST fan on this site
I don't think anyone here can come close to my obsessive love of the first two seasons, and to a lesser extent the third. Which I watched in real time, unlike almost everyone here.
My criticism of the writing does not come from a place of hate for the show; it's on my Mount Rushmore for sure. Rather, I choose to be real about what happened. The reality is they weren't expecting it to be a hit, they had little more than the pilot written when it started, they didn't know how long it would run so they didn't even have a clue as to when it would end much less where they were going until after the third season, instead of taking the ending seriously and storyboarding it all to the end once they knew they had three seasons left they still continued to add new mysteries and storylines, they didn't seriously craft an ending until the last year, and at that point, they'd weaved such a complex tale that there WAS no way to satisfactorily draw it together, so instead of treating the audience respectfully and as adults like they had for most of the run, they decided to cop out to a massive deus ex machina, sprinkle the whole thing with fairy dust and resolve what had been a heavily pseudoscientific story with cheap, sadly silly magical explanations for everything.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:43 am to dbeck
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I watched Lost when it came out and I got the feeling the writers only planned for 1 season. Like they assumed the show sound be cancelled. But it didn't get cancelled and the writers were left scrambling to figure out wtf the show was about. They seemed to be flying by the seat of their pants after the first season.
This is pretty much what happened.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:48 am to CBandits82
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Binging Lost is just not the same experience as it was waiting for everything to unfold.
It was a completely different experience. The bingers will never understand.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:48 am to Cooter Davenport
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The reality is they weren't expecting it to be a hit, they had little more than the pilot written when it started, they didn't know how long it would run so they didn't even have a clue as to when it would end much less where they were going until after the third season,
How many series do you believe start with a pilot these days and the complete story is written and done at the beginning? Very few if any
And I have read, if you want to believe it or not, that the writers or JJ had the ending basically in mind when they started. Of course you can not believe that but none of us know the real answer to that.
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But, from a more “behind the scenes” note: the reason Ben’s not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn’t believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It’s pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church — but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church … and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder — the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ’s ending. And they kept it.
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It was a completely different experience. The bingers will never understand.
I agree the experience was different but in turn, both have benefits. And I did both.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:51 am to OMLandshark
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Half the fun with LOST was talking about it online.
More than half. Most of the fun of LOST was watch parties, discussing it with family, discussing it at work, talking about it online. The fun of The Fuselage will probably never be recreated. I feel sorry for everyone who didn't get to experience that. It's totally different just binge-watching it. It was an active participation event that stretched across most of a decade.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:52 am to LanierSpots
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And I have read, if you want to believe it or not, that the writers or JJ had the ending basically in mind when they started. Of course you can not believe that but none of us know the real answer to that.
Did they have the very end in mind from the start? Yes I believe it. Whenever the writers were asked about the ending, the only thing they'd say is that Vincent lives until the end. Jack dying in the jungle going into the afterlife with Vincent consoling him I can believe. It's the logical conclusion to the series. But there's hundreds of different ways you can reach that ending.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:53 am to Cooter Davenport
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My criticism of the writing does not come from a place of hate for the show; it's on my Mount Rushmore for sure. Rather, I choose to be real about what happened. The reality is they weren't expecting it to be a hit, they had little more than the pilot written when it started, they didn't know how long it would run so they didn't even have a clue as to when it would end much less where they were going until after the third season, instead of taking the ending seriously and storyboarding it all to the end once they knew they had three seasons left they still continued to add new mysteries and storylines, they didn't seriously craft an ending until the last year, and at that point, they'd weaved such a complex tale that there WAS no way to satisfactorily draw it together, so instead of treating the audience respectfully and as adults like they had for most of the run, they decided to cop out to a massive deus ex machina, sprinkle the whole thing with fairy dust and resolve what had been a heavily pseudoscientific story with cheap, sadly silly magical explanations for everything.
You are so predictable.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:55 am to LanierSpots
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How many series do you believe start with a pilot these days and the complete story is written and done at the beginning? Very few if any
Very few. Where did I say that in particular was their fault? I said it is the reality of what happened. I know people hate this expression, but it is what it is.
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And I have read, if you want to believe it or not, that the writers or JJ had the ending basically in mind when they started.
I'm going to go with "or not". I don't believe that at all.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:56 am to monkeybutt
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You are so predictable.
You offer such intelligent, constructive discussion.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:59 am to Cooter Davenport
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I'm going to go with "or not". I don't believe that at all.
I watched a video with the writers after the show was finished. One of them didnt believe it would make it past the pilot. So you could be right. But they have stuck with the idea that they knew how it would end. The specifics of that are debatable.
I dont think any show now can recreate what Lost did. You mentioned the watch parties and debate. We were not as "connected" then as we are now.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 9:59 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 9:59 am to Cooter Davenport
Do I really need to engage with your 100th rant on Lost's science vs. magic? Just go reread one of the million other Lost threads where you posted the same whine.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:01 am to OMLandshark
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Whenever the writers were asked about the ending, the only thing they'd say is that Vincent lives until the end. Jack dying in the jungle going into the afterlife with Vincent consoling him I can believe.
Well... if THAT counts as the ending they knew from the beginning, maybe. But that's one staged emotional scene they could have arrived at from any direction. When I say I don't believe they had the ending thought out from the beginning, I mean that I don't believe they had the whole magical light, magical donkey wheel, fairy dust stuff in mind when they started, because they started with a sci-fi show that had a totally different feel and devolved into a fantasy soap opera by the end, which I don't believe was planned.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:01 am to monkeybutt
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Do I really need to engage with your 100th rant on Lost's science vs. magic? Just go reread one of the million other Lost threads where you posted the same whine.
Seriously? Its a pretty good discussion about the topic and though I personally dont agree with everything he said, its very civil
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Do I really need to engage with your 100th rant on Lost's science vs. magic?
No, you can GTFO if its not something you want to discuss. Just a thought
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:02 am to monkeybutt
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Do I really need to engage with your 100th rant on Lost's science vs. magic? Just go reread one of the million other Lost threads where you posted the same whine.
Apparently you are unable to offer a cogent contrary argument. Good day, sir.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:05 am to LanierSpots
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I dont think any show now can recreate what Lost did. You mentioned the watch parties and debate. We were not as "connected" then as we are now.
Yeah. I agree. Actually, maybe slight departure from what you said, but in the same spirit: it was the beginning of being as connected as we are now. I could be wrong (probably am) but it was the first truly "meta" show that really took full advantage of the burgeoning online forum culture.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:08 am to Cooter Davenport
What is there to argue? Your whole argument boils down to, they didn't answer the questions the exact way YOU wanted them answered. That's not the shows fault. I personally liked the answers and how they were given. I also would not have had a problem if the answers were less on the magical side. From the very beginning the show had a fantastical element to it. I do not feel that the final answers on what the Island was and who Jacob was were so far out of left field that you should have a meltdown.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:12 am to LanierSpots
LOST is great, Fringe is up there too if you like character shows that have a sci-fi twist.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:17 am to monkeybutt
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they didn't answer the questions the exact way YOU wanted them answered.
This is my feeling on a big portion of the people who disliked the ending. So many people were upset that they were all dead at the end that it ruined the ending. When in retrospect, it made the ending. Each person going full circle wit their own life issues then reconnecting for "what ever is next" together was excellent.
There is no way any series with as many angles, twists and timelines as Lost can answer every question. There will always be unanswered things.
The entire show had a "magic" feel to it from the beginning. A plane breaking in half at 10,00 feet and people survived without a scratch. From there, it was fiction.
I am not a spiritual person but enjoyed the spiritual side of this story. If you really got connected with the characters, I find it difficult to believe you would not be touched and enjoy the ending.
JMHO
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