re: I Watched Rogue One Again For The First Time Since The Theatre

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Kinda like what I said earlier? Like it's a good movie for Star Wars fans?

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Here's how I'd describe Rogue One positively: it's the greatest Star Wars fan film ever made. Does that make it a good movie? No, but it's fun to look at.

My favorite SW movie since Empire

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The movie isn't outside of Star Wars universe. It's a snapshot in time in the currently known Star Wars universe. Being "separate" means it isn't furthering or addressing main storyline or plot.

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But what relevance does Vader have on the plot? Nothing. He just shows up at the end to give fanboys a raging boner. That's his only purpose.

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You don't watch a WWII battle flick and expect the film to explain who Hitler is/was.

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Ummm, Hitler is pretty easy to explain: evil genocidal dictator who wants to rule the world. You always know how Hitler fits into WWII movies without any context to WWII.

Also I think I remember you once saying that The Godfather didn't have good character development, which is fricking nonsense.

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He came up throughout the movie.

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Like what? That one time in Mordor? Maybe they mentioned him before then that I don't recall, but I can't remember if there was any context brought to Vader in the movie.

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Did you watch the movie? Vader had quite a few speaking parts.

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Am I missing something? He was only in Barad-Dur and slicing up the Rebels at the end as far as I'm aware.

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But what relevance does Vader have on the plot? Nothing. He just shows up at the end to give fanboys a raging boner. That's his only purpose.

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True, but it segues perfectly into ANH.

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Ummm, Hitler is pretty easy to explain: evil genocidal dictator who wants to rule the world. You always know how Hitler fits into WWII movies without any context to WWII.

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This is very presumptive. If a person never heard of WWII, say a young child, then they would have no idea who Hitler was or why battles were fought and showing Hitler at the end of a film would have no meaning - which is your complaint about Vader.

Without context, neither Hitler nor Vader are inherently known. It's assumed the viewer has some basic knowledge of WWII or Star Wars.

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Am I missing something?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Then tell me what other scene he's in or mentioned? I can only remember Tarkin saying to summon Lord Vader, and that's it.

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I still stand by everything I initially said. Didn't care for it

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Which is why it was good. Your opinion is garbage.

Rogue One is, very simply, a gift to fans of the original trilogy.

It attempts to integrate the prequels into the original lore; it's a direct prequel, not 20+ years beforehand. If you know Star Wars, you don't need any explanation of Vader. No contrived early life history, he's just a menacing, Force-choking figure who's of the Empire, but not of the Imperial fleet or military.

We get a revisit to the Empire at it's peak, with the early days of the rebel factions, before it coalesced into the Rebel Alliance. We get a couple cool battles with real Tie Fighters and Storm Troopers, not some random Republic vs Banking Clan or Trade Federation stuff, not some post-war battles between the leftovers after the Empire fell.
Luke wasn't the start of the Rebellion, it was present before he left Tatooine, and this was a very nice fleshing out of the Rebellion as he knew of it.

Maybe it could have been better, if we saw Biggs defect when the pilot in Rogue One did, and he stayed behind while this one went with the team. But I was very happy with what they gave us.