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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:50 pm to Antiheroaz
Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:50 pm to Antiheroaz
I don't get the little finger connection at all, I guess he had motive because of Catlyn and does he still love Sansa? I think offering to get her away was as far as he'd go.
Sansa in my mind had no idea what was going on or she would have left when he started choking.
The Fool is 100% in on it in some form IMO, most likely a large role involving the necklace which then involves Olenna and Margaery since they were all talking about necklaces and Olenna touched the necklace. That is just too much coincidence IMO.
Sansa in my mind had no idea what was going on or she would have left when he started choking.
The Fool is 100% in on it in some form IMO, most likely a large role involving the necklace which then involves Olenna and Margaery since they were all talking about necklaces and Olenna touched the necklace. That is just too much coincidence IMO.
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Posted on 4/16/14 at 3:54 pm to KosmoCramer
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Haven't seen previews for next episode. I thought we debunked the tyrell rule theory?
Haven't seen previews for next episode. I thought we debunked the tyrell rule theory?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:07 pm to Antiheroaz
That's the problem I have, but the necklace is it. These pictures confirm it.
And if it is, then it's either Sansa or Olenna.
I don't get Olenna's motive at all, but Sansa didn't seem to be involved at all. Why would the Fool have to make her leave?
He wouldn't.
And if it is, then it's either Sansa or Olenna.
I don't get Olenna's motive at all, but Sansa didn't seem to be involved at all. Why would the Fool have to make her leave?
He wouldn't.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:14 pm to DanTiger
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n the previews for next weeks show shw appears to be telling margeary(sp) tha she is now the most powerful person in the kingdom.
I just rewatched it:
No - she said, appearing quite pleased with the events, "Your circumstances have improved markedley." - to which Margaery replies, "But I would have been the Queen!"
Implies that Olenna, maybe not involved (but maybe) - but certainly doesn't think it hurts the family position - also, sort of rules out Margaery, unless she's putting on an act.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:21 pm to Ace Midnight
I think if it was indeed the necklace and the cup then Margaery wouldn't have needed to be involved.
If it was the cake, then Olenna would have needed to tell her IMO.
I still think if Olenna did it, she would have told Margaery so she didn't kill her.
BUT, Margaery would have total deniability if she had no knowledge.
If it was the cake, then Olenna would have needed to tell her IMO.
I still think if Olenna did it, she would have told Margaery so she didn't kill her.
BUT, Margaery would have total deniability if she had no knowledge.
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:32 pm to KosmoCramer
The fool is our prime suspect but he's just a patsy.
Who is the mastermind!!!!
Who is the mastermind!!!!
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:37 pm to TigerinATL
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The sigil of House Lannister is a Lion and House Tyrell is a Rose
Most of the time there is more than one meaning to the episode's name. Not saying he's right about the Sansa/Shae thing, but it's not a bad assumption.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:41 pm to Antiheroaz
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The fool is our prime suspect but he's just a patsy.
Who is the mastermind!!!!
If we assume that neither the wine, extant or the food was poisoned, and that only Joffrey's food or wine was poisoned, it has to be someone at the family table.
Margaery, Cersei, Tommen, Tywin, Olenna, Mace (was he at the head table? I'm just assuming), Tyrion and Sansa. Once Joffrey's taunting of Tyrion started, Margaery stood up (to feed him), and Tyrion and Sansa handled the goblet. Now, from whence the wine actually came from and how much access that Cersei, Tywin, Tommen, Mace or Olenna had prior to Tyrion presenting the poisoned wine to Joffrey is anybody's guess (because it either happened or didn't happen off-screen).
In any event, all of this presupposes it was an ingested poison and relatively fast acting. This ignores the possibility of a slow acting poison given to him earlier in the day, a contact poison on one of the gifts (still, pretty much has to be family), or more exotic poisoning theories.
But, if it was a fast-acting, ingested poison, the list of people with access to Joffrey and his food/drink, is pretty much Margaery, Cersei, Tommen, Tywin, Mace, Olenna, Tyrion and Sansa at the wedding feast.
Haven't completely ruled out Martell - after all, he is an assassin - what better alibi than to be 30 feet away. However, if he was that clever and going to do it that way, he likely wouldn't have been in the crowd (even better alibi - "I wasn't even there.")
This post was edited on 4/16/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 4/16/14 at 4:44 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/16/14 at 5:09 pm to Ace Midnight
I don't think an offscreen poisoning is viable. It's too important to leave to assumptions.
IMO it had to be at /during the wedding. If the poison was in the necklace like we assume than it could only be a few characters.
Ma Ma Tyrell was the last person to visually handle the necklace.
IMO it had to be at /during the wedding. If the poison was in the necklace like we assume than it could only be a few characters.
Ma Ma Tyrell was the last person to visually handle the necklace.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 5:50 pm to Antiheroaz
Well I think whoever it is we can all agree shite is about to get even more real. On a side note is Stannis still going to be headed north to battle the white walkers?
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:02 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Well I think whoever it is we can all agree shite is about to get even more real.
I want it to be Sansa.
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On a side note is Stannis still going to be headed north to battle the white walkers?
Stannis can't last much longer, either way, imo. he's going all in on the Red Witch. it will be his downfall.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:19 pm to JimMorrison
I don't know man. The Lord of light brings guys back from the dead after almost getting cleaved in half! Plus she can make smoke monster babies that can kill people IRL.
Stannis and Danerys are the two most formidable forces right now. KL is a close 3rd. If it wasn't for Tyrion and the Tyrells riding in KL would have been sacked.
Stannis and Danerys are the two most formidable forces right now. KL is a close 3rd. If it wasn't for Tyrion and the Tyrells riding in KL would have been sacked.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:34 pm to Antiheroaz
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Stannis and Danerys are the two most formidable forces right now.
And clearly there are parallels - both use fire (albeit in different ways) and one or both are likely to be instrumental in the fight against the ice zombies.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:36 pm to Antiheroaz
I think Oberlyn[sic] did it for revenge. He sure openly talked about his hatred of what The Lannisters did to his sister years earlier.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 6:42 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I don't think there was a poisonous jewel on the necklace
Haven't seen it discussed but I feel like if the necklace was indeed involved then the jewel may very well have been a vial instead of a dissolvable poison that would probably take far too long.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:04 pm to UMRealist
All the speculation is making my brain hurt. Can't wait until Sunday.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:28 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
Tyrion shouldn't have poisoned the king. All Cersei is going to remember is how he told her that he would hurt her for assaulting his whore.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 8:50 pm to Antiheroaz
True but I just think he's getting brainwashed by her magic and that will be his downfall. He won't think clearly because of it.
And yeah, I'm sure her fire magic will be good against the white walkers.
And yeah, I'm sure her fire magic will be good against the white walkers.
Posted on 4/16/14 at 11:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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o - she said, appearing quite pleased with the events, "Your circumstances have improved markedley." - to which Margaery replies, "But I would have been the Queen!"
Not having to marry Joffrey sounds like an upgrade.
ETA and lion and the lamb could totally be an Olenna/Tywin reference.
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