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re: Game of Thrones is Becoming Too Predicable [SPOILERS]
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:40 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:40 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I think that's a huge problem for both the TV and book sagas. Huge numbers of people were drawn in to the fantasy saga for people who don't really like the magical/fantasy elements.
As the story has unraveled and magic has become more and more prevalent and is now looking like the ultimate end-game the less a lot of people care.
Martin and the showrunner may think the real war is living v dead, but I don't think the readers/viewers are all that invested in that story.
As the story has unraveled and magic has become more and more prevalent and is now looking like the ultimate end-game the less a lot of people care.
Martin and the showrunner may think the real war is living v dead, but I don't think the readers/viewers are all that invested in that story.
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Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Eh. I at least see where you are coming from, but having them meet for the proposal didn't bother me. It's not like Cersei would agree to a marriage sight unseen at this point. Euron wants to impress her. He wants to go there first. She, perhaps, wants to meet him and size him up and then see what he can do. Then, again, you have the tension with Jamie piling on.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:42 pm to CrippleCreek
Uhhh the scenes involving the Dragons and the WWs are some of the most popular in the history of the show. Prime example is Hardhome. Also Drogon roasting the Masters alive was YUGE for the show.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:45 pm to CrippleCreek
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As the story has unraveled and magic has become more and more prevalent and is now looking like the ultimate end-game the less a lot of people care.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:45 pm to CorporateTiger
The set-pieces are huge, yes, but I see a difference between the set-pieces and the story. Hardhome is the culmination of the human story of Jon/Nights Watch/Freefolk.
If the ultimate antagonist is the night king, he isn't really a character as much as an avatar. That's not good.
If the ultimate antagonist is the night king, he isn't really a character as much as an avatar. That's not good.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:52 pm to CrippleCreek
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I think that's a huge problem for both the TV and book sagas. Huge numbers of people were drawn in to the fantasy saga for people who don't really like the magical/fantasy elements.
As the story has unraveled and magic has become more and more prevalent and is now looking like the ultimate end-game the less a lot of people care.
Martin and the showrunner may think the real war is living v dead, but I don't think the readers/viewers are all that invested in that story.
Its hard to tell (which isn't an indication of great writing IMO). Is it a story about families (Dany, the Lannister Family (seems to me this is the most interesting) the Stark Family and John - or about the fight for the thrones or about the battle for living vs. dead. If the magic, division of the gods (or lack thereof as seems to be implicated in recent speeches) is a huge player / theme - I don't think waiting so long to get into that part of it is good writing.
The books / show have touched on some really interesting themes but doesn't seem to have an idea of the actual direction they want to go. Dany / Tyrion comparing slavery to freedom in terms of the rich people vs. the master was maybe the most interesting thing the show has done IMO. The children creating the whitewalkers is interesting but again - very late introduction and little treatment.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:58 pm to Carson123987
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The biggest issue now is the dialogue. Watch seasons 1-4 and then compare it to the later seasons. Showrunners cant write dialogue for shite. Only character they can seem to write is the Hound
You had an issue with the dialogue last night? I thought it was actually pretty good yesterday.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 2:58 pm to CrippleCreek
So all of these people watched the first episode where a zombie murders a bunch of people went, "nah probably not much magic in this show." That makes no sense
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:07 pm to CorporateTiger
I don't think that was the point.
What I was trying to say in my post he first responded to was that traditional / archetypal fantasy as I call it is your standard Good vs. Evil Horde story where you don't know much about the evil horde other than that they want to kill everything.
The whole ice zombie storyline wasn't given a ton of substance until last season really. It was a battle for the iron throne with various casts - but that story sort of has dissolved while the real battle is finally discovered. It just seems like a whole lot of misdirection and unnecessary pages if that is the case.
Even still though, outside of Jon / The North, not a lot of people know or acknowledge there is a greater battle coming.
What I was trying to say in my post he first responded to was that traditional / archetypal fantasy as I call it is your standard Good vs. Evil Horde story where you don't know much about the evil horde other than that they want to kill everything.
The whole ice zombie storyline wasn't given a ton of substance until last season really. It was a battle for the iron throne with various casts - but that story sort of has dissolved while the real battle is finally discovered. It just seems like a whole lot of misdirection and unnecessary pages if that is the case.
Even still though, outside of Jon / The North, not a lot of people know or acknowledge there is a greater battle coming.
This post was edited on 7/17/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/17/17 at 3:58 pm to CrippleCreek
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As the story has unraveled and magic has become more and more prevalent and is now looking like the ultimate end-game the less a lot of people care.
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The “Game of Thrones” Season 7 premiere broke ratings records on HBO Sunday night. The episode drew 16.1 million total viewers, including 10.1 million who watched on the linear channel and the rest coming from DVR and streaming. That represents an incredible 50% increase from last year’s premiere when the show premiered in the spring when TV viewership is typically higher than the summer. That also makes the episode the most-watched season premiere for any HBO series to date. The Season 7 premiere also saw the highest number of concurrent viewers across the streaming services HBO Go and HBO Now.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:04 pm to CrippleCreek
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Martin and the showrunner may think the real war is living v dead, but I don't think the readers/viewers are all that invested in that story.
Then why was Hardholme a super popular episode? I think it's been obvious for awhile that the White Walkers would be end game. Yet GoT is more popular now than it has ever been before.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:10 pm to Sneaky__Sally
I mean even though the characters haven't been focused on the WW, it should be fricking obvious to every viewer since the first scene of the first episode where this story was going.
Then Danny births the dragons in S1E10. A huge chunk of her story ever since then has revolved around those dragons. There's also been Mel running birthing shadow babies out of her vag in the interim.
There is not a single shred of evidence that the audience is abandoning the show because it is taking a bend towards high fantasy.
Then Danny births the dragons in S1E10. A huge chunk of her story ever since then has revolved around those dragons. There's also been Mel running birthing shadow babies out of her vag in the interim.
There is not a single shred of evidence that the audience is abandoning the show because it is taking a bend towards high fantasy.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:39 pm to Burt Reynolds
Y'all can downvote him all you want, but the man makes some points. No one will be able to recreate the magic of GRRM's writing. The ending the show provides will pale in comparison to what it should be.
Of course, that's all GRRM's fault to begin with for not finishing the books.
Also, I don't think Jon and Dany actually end up together. I'm not sure Dany is actually fit to rule when compared to Jon.
Of course, that's all GRRM's fault to begin with for not finishing the books.
Also, I don't think Jon and Dany actually end up together. I'm not sure Dany is actually fit to rule when compared to Jon.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:42 pm to The Midnight Rider
It should be pretty obvious he was trolling. Two posts later he called it the walking dead with Dragons.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:43 pm to blueboy
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Not according to GRRM.
Where did you see that?
Posted on 7/17/17 at 4:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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last night, while being mostly filler, was cringe-worthy at times. the writers seem to be writing characters like fan fiction
I said this in another thread but the part with lady mormont and all the women nodding at each other was so goddamm corny. It felt like a scene they wrote so a bunch of bloggers could talk about #girlpower
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:09 pm to Burt Reynolds
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The writing of this show is cheesy without the book's text to fall back on.
The problem with this statement is that some of the best dialogue in the whole damn series was between Arya and Tywin Lannister, which was not in the books. I think that, unfortunately some of the best actors have been removed from the show.
I will concede that quality of Varys and Baelish's dialogue has taken a turn for the worse.
The houd, however is still as good as ever. Lord Frey gave a nice speach to all his progeny too.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:20 pm to Burt Reynolds
quote:Oh frick off
I know that this is basically the walking dead with dragons
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Euron was just introduced and the general audience does not give a frick about him. they could have just started his arc on that quest "to impress Cersei" or whatever and it would have saved 5+ minutes of screen time. it seems like the biggest thing that scene was created to do was allow Euron to act like a fancy pants
Except the l;ast time we saw Euron, he won the king's Moot by claiming he was going to sail to Danny and marry her. now he has changed course and is trying to woo Cersei. That had to be established. HAd it not, you would be the loudsest voice complaining about "where did this come from". Or maybe you just havent been paying attention.
Posted on 7/17/17 at 5:25 pm to CrippleCreek
I think they need to ratchet up the Night King very soon to get people emotionally involved in him as a villain.
Joffrey and Ramsey had much more of a connection with the audience.
Joffrey and Ramsey had much more of a connection with the audience.
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