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re: Force Awakens Revisited
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:44 pm to RobbBobb
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:44 pm to RobbBobb
Good lord. I'm not going to try and change anyone's opinion, if you didn't like it fine, but some of you people don't like the movie for absurd reasons.
It's the same shite as people that don't like Indiana Jones because technically Indy is irrelevant to all of the events in the original movie.
****side note: where in the ever living frick does it say Kylo is stronger than Vader??? Vader had decades of advanced Jedi and Sith training. Kylo had extremely little training and Snoke doesn't hold a candle to Sidious in terms of teaching or skill.
It's the same shite as people that don't like Indiana Jones because technically Indy is irrelevant to all of the events in the original movie.
****side note: where in the ever living frick does it say Kylo is stronger than Vader??? Vader had decades of advanced Jedi and Sith training. Kylo had extremely little training and Snoke doesn't hold a candle to Sidious in terms of teaching or skill.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:06 am to HeavyCore
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****side note: where in the ever living frick does it say Kylo is stronger than Vader??? Vader had decades of advanced Jedi and Sith training. Kylo had extremely little training and Snoke doesn't hold a candle to Sidious in terms of teaching or skill.
On top of that, I'd say it is emphasized that he is not stronger than Vader and totally weak. It's ridiculous someone would say this.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:35 am to BulldogXero
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For one, Poe's X-Wing has more screen time than Poe himself.
A step further- simple blaster shots are enough to render his X-Wing useless in one of the early scenes of the movie. Either the x-wing is that fragile or blasters are that powerful. Either way, why don't the ground troops on Starkiller Base fire at the x-wings? I'm sure there will eventually be a backstory written to explain why these fighter planes with hyperdrive can't afford the energy to shield when powering on, but can afford to under intense maneuvers while shooting. But it's an annoying occurrence. They could've at least made it a guy with a big, powerful blaster.
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forces Finn to return to Jakku
And Finn finds himself aboard the Falcon. A freighter that has two gunner positions in previous fight scenes. Yet when one gun became disabled, he didn't attempt to go to the other. Again, when The Universe expands to fill the holes created, an explanation to how the second gun broke will be conjured. But the character couldn't have known that. Maybe he didn't know it existed at all, but he sure found his way easily into the one gunner seat.
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how he gets back is cut from the film).
I did buy the extended release Blu Ray. I don't think I watched the deleted scenes or figured out where they put them on the disk. Is this scene included? Or an explanation as to why Poe no longer cared about retrieving his droid?
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Rey, and Finn
Shouldn't her force-sensitive super instinct tip her off to his awful poker face when he states he's in the resistance?
She's untrained in the ways of the force, so I'll let it slide. But it seems like it would've been obvious for someone as "strong" as she to not sense obvious and ill-feigned deceit.
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I wasn't the biggest fan of the scene aboard Han and Chewie's cargo ship. It seemed out of place in the film and the giant CGI monster chasing the heroes felt like a bad parody of Episodes 1-3.
This is why I'm OK with some of the unexplained things that are filledin after the fact. Because this story line is almost senseless. It's as if there were ten good explanations for what Han and our Wookie friend were up to for 30 years, and the writers decided to rewrite the story on the day it was filmed. Head writer to guy in charge f rewriting scene: "Remember the guy who helped overthrow the Galactic Empire and learned to think about more than himself, the one who, as a person, developed more than any of the other characters over three movies? Screw that. He's a swindler again. And his uhh. His wife doesn't like him anymore.
...and there's a monster involved. Go"
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Poe will never have to worry about shield generators
...except that the equivalent of a Glock 9mm took out his equivalent of an (pick whatever your favorite fighter plane is) where the only reasonable explanation is that x-wing shield generators don't come online with ignition.
Sorry. That part really annoyed me. Side note- had this been a non-main character, how awesome would it have been for the storm troopers to run his body over his paused-mid-blast shot to execute him?
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Starkiller bas
The original Death Star could blow up an entire planet from its own power generators. I don't think anyone would have questioned it firing off multiple shots. Why is it now requiring some or all of the energy from a sun and a planet sized (or is it really just a modified planet?) to blow up an entire solar system at once? The 1/8 size, 30 year old mobile base could've done that in a week anyway. I would say they ran out of ideas, but after The Death Star blew up they....rehashed the same idea.
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Meanwhile, x-wings shoot tie fighters outside for some reason.
Star Wars created new and goofy ships six times a movie in the PT. Then in the OT (chronologically from a character's point of view), there's still a big variety of ships. 30 years later, A-wings and B-wings are scrapped. And literally they took the two most popular fighters and 2.0'd them instead of coming up with any number of outrageous new ship designs, which they always did before. Perhaps society had reached the end of its ingenuity at that point and lack of war sparked refinement rather than advancement.
The good news: if you remove yourself from all your Star Wars knowledge and watch A New Hope, you'll have nearly as many questions. A lot of things just never made sense. Backstories were written as explanation, but they all came after the fact. Lucas was either brilliant and showed just enough to get us interested, imagining the universe in which this was taking place, or he was careless and left a ton of seemingly non-sensical plot holes. I, for one, hope that it's the former, and that this one turns out with as much of a following filled with explanations as th OT.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:48 am to Hopeful Doc
So I finally got around to watching this and I enjoyed it. It certainly wasn't a great movie and there were times I kind of zoned out because it got boring, but seeing as I Redboxed it, I am not disappointed. But I figured it was going to be extremely hard for this movie to be considered great for me because the original trilogy has been on such a pedestal for so long that many of its flaws have long since been forgotten.
But I could tell this movie was a big fan letter to the original. I wont be buying it on DVD, but I will likely rewatch it once the next one comes out to see if I missed anything the first viewing and to get caught up.
But I could tell this movie was a big fan letter to the original. I wont be buying it on DVD, but I will likely rewatch it once the next one comes out to see if I missed anything the first viewing and to get caught up.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 5:56 am to HeavyCore
We don't know enough about Smoke.
If he is Darth Plagius, then he might be reeeaaaal careful about teaching an apprentice.
If he is Darth Plagius, then he might be reeeaaaal careful about teaching an apprentice.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 6:22 am to Old Sarge
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I fell asleep
My kids don't want to watch it over and over like every other Star Wars movie
Sums it up
I watched it, barely remember anything about it.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 6:56 am to Scoob
quote:You are correct. As I recall, the beams traveled via hyperspace to the targets.
I'm going to assume the blast was through some sort of hyperspace portal, or other faster-than-light means.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:04 am to Bamadiver
So the big complaints so far are:
The physics of a hyperspace jump by one of the best pilots ever in one of the best ships ever don't make sense.
The Star Killer base that destroyed entire solar systems at once by sucking the energy out of the sun was stupid.
There was a woman and a black guy in it. Of course, everyone bitching how stupid a woman lead is I suppose forgot Leia existed in the original trilogy.
Poe was a stupid character with not enough screen time. Stupid Poe.
Kylo Ren wasn't cool enough. He's no Vader. Although, this is a bullshite comparison, because in the OT we have Vader who has been training for 30 years under the emperor and is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, Jedi/sith/force aware people of all time. Also, do none of you remember the scene when Kylo basically freezes time and slaughters a village full of innocent people? That was awesome.
Yall are nitpicking the movie to death.
When the OT came out people had to wait forever to see it again and there wasn't an Internet to rape it, but if you want I'm sure we could nitpick A New Hope to death.
The physics of a hyperspace jump by one of the best pilots ever in one of the best ships ever don't make sense.
The Star Killer base that destroyed entire solar systems at once by sucking the energy out of the sun was stupid.
There was a woman and a black guy in it. Of course, everyone bitching how stupid a woman lead is I suppose forgot Leia existed in the original trilogy.
Poe was a stupid character with not enough screen time. Stupid Poe.
Kylo Ren wasn't cool enough. He's no Vader. Although, this is a bullshite comparison, because in the OT we have Vader who has been training for 30 years under the emperor and is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, Jedi/sith/force aware people of all time. Also, do none of you remember the scene when Kylo basically freezes time and slaughters a village full of innocent people? That was awesome.
Yall are nitpicking the movie to death.
When the OT came out people had to wait forever to see it again and there wasn't an Internet to rape it, but if you want I'm sure we could nitpick A New Hope to death.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 7:06 am
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:20 am to dgnx6
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I dont see whats so hard about just kicking back and enjoying the movie. Suspend belief for a couple of hours.
This. I enjoyed it. I hope to watch it again soon.
Some of you take Star Wars way, way, way too seriously.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 7:26 am to OMLandshark
Let's be honest. This movie would be nothing more than a good popcorn flick forgotten in five years time without the Star Wars name attached to it.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:53 am to Hopeful Doc
People really need to understand what it was is what it needed to be
They invested $5 billion into Star Wars. $4 billion just for the property. They were going to reintroduce it to a new audience and to do that you needed to show the new generation of fans what we loved about it so much. To capture the same excitement and adventure of the original to setup a whole new set of stories for the new fans and the old
It was a delicate balance and I think they did the best that anyone could do. This isn't simply nostalgia exploitation (there's obviously an element of that) like 95% of movies these days nor was it changing the product for a different audience (like the new and remarkably lame Star Trek movies) this was updating the foundation so they can build new things on top of what exists
They invested $5 billion into Star Wars. $4 billion just for the property. They were going to reintroduce it to a new audience and to do that you needed to show the new generation of fans what we loved about it so much. To capture the same excitement and adventure of the original to setup a whole new set of stories for the new fans and the old
It was a delicate balance and I think they did the best that anyone could do. This isn't simply nostalgia exploitation (there's obviously an element of that) like 95% of movies these days nor was it changing the product for a different audience (like the new and remarkably lame Star Trek movies) this was updating the foundation so they can build new things on top of what exists
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:00 am to Breesus
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Also, do none of you remember the scene when Kylo basically freezes time and slaughters a village full of innocent people? That was awesome.
And all the more reason that the fights with Finn and Rey were beyond stupid. Kylo had already been set up to be able to obliterate either one in seconds. In an effort to make the movie PC, they pissed on all logic
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:08 am to RobbBobb
You talking about the fight after he got shot in the chest with an explosive shotgun arrow that had thrown other people across rooms shortly after murdering his own father and while bleeding profusely and having trouble controlling his emotions, which is an absolute key to using the force, he still pretty handily defeated them and it wasn't until a prodigy showed up that they were even close to safe?
That fight?
That fight?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:19 am to Rou Leed
I am far more interested in Rogue One at the moment.
I suspect we'll get a pretty big leak about the main male protagonist in the next few weeks...
I suspect we'll get a pretty big leak about the main male protagonist in the next few weeks...
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:32 am to Tiger Ryno
I've seen TFA around 10 times and I love it. I think there are some criticisms to be made but when you look at the task JJ had in front of him he did a fantastic job. He had to reset the entire Star Wars universe back to the look and feel of the OT and get rid of the stink of the prequels. The stakes were high and he pulled it off.
The only true WTF? moment in TFA for me is a time thing. Kylo Ren is standing on the deck of the star destroyer above Starkiller Base watching it fire and less than a minute later he is landing on his shuttle at Maz's castle.
The only true WTF? moment in TFA for me is a time thing. Kylo Ren is standing on the deck of the star destroyer above Starkiller Base watching it fire and less than a minute later he is landing on his shuttle at Maz's castle.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:41 am to RuLSU
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I am far more interested in Rogue One at the moment.
I suspect we'll get a pretty big leak about the main male protagonist in the next few weeks
Red leader? Standing by?
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:44 am to Breesus
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I'm sure we could nitpick A New Hope to death.
Absolutely, and here lies the main problem. Every movie can be nitpicked to find flaws. People that comb over a movie to find every minor detail that they dislike are miserable slugs who need to find happiness in their lives. It's fine if you take issue with major flaws, but come on. This is borderline ridiculous.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:46 am to Midget Death Squad
I will say, I felt like they gave Carrie Fisher as few lines as possible so people wouldn't have to listen to that voice.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:57 am to GetCocky11
It was cool. I enjoyed it. Put it this way, though: If this was the first film in the universe, I doubt Star Wars is the franchise it is today. The nostalgia made it great, and it served it's purpose. As a stand-alone film, it was nothing to write home about.
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