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Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:16 pm to DelU249
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was with you until you went trekkie.
All I'm saying is that it's a constant theme in the OT you have to concentrate and put your mind at peace to use the force or you have to fill yourself with hate and rage.
If you're confused and new and you recognize Rey, a girl you've been looking for your whole life although we don't know why yet, you'd slip up.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 12:47 pm to Breesus
on an abstract level the more aggressive you are, the more vulnerable you are. You may end up getting a first round knockout but you may also find yourself on your arse when you shouldn't be. I agree with the whole thing but I don't think of it within the rules of the Star Wars universe (and the force is mysterious rather than established rules) but rather just the human experience
Posted on 4/22/16 at 4:14 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Because this story line is almost senseless. It's as if there were ten good explanations for what Han and our Wookie friend were up to for 30 years, and the writers decided to rewrite the story on the day it was filmed. Head writer to guy in charge f rewriting scene: "Remember the guy who helped overthrow the Galactic Empire and learned to think about more than himself, the one who, as a person, developed more than any of the other characters over three movies? Screw that. He's a swindler again. And his uhh. His wife doesn't like him anymore. ...and there's a monster involved. Go"
I absolutely hated the entire sequence of scenes when Han/Chewie get boarded by the rival gangs. It's sort of stupid and out of place, and the whole rathtar thing was absurd and simply an excuse of a plot device for them to have to use the Millennium Falcon as their primary ship.
The guys at Cracked had a good bit about how Han Solo in this movie was sort of screwed by what Lucas did in ROTJ. Han was supposed to make the ultimate sacrifice and die in ROTJ, which would've completed his character arc from scalawag smuggler who only looks out for himself to hero who makes the ultimate sacrifice for a cause he didn't believe in at first.
But no, Lucas didn't want to kill him off in ROTJ, so Abrams sort of had to restart that arc and reintroduce Han Solo as the loner/smuggler/swindler so he could complete that arc at the end of the movie. When Han and Chewie first came aboard the Millennium Falcon in TFA, my first thoughts were "awesome, they're like top Generals in the Resistance and probably worshipped by their soldiers" until I realized they were redoing that whole arc.
It would almost be like if they started out TFA with the premise that Vader didn't die at the end of ROTJ, and after being redeemed by Luke that he just ended up going back to the Dark Side and has been wrecking shop for the last few years.
This post was edited on 4/22/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 4/22/16 at 8:28 pm to Midget Death Squad
Give credit to JJ for avoiding CGI as much as possible.
Note about leia. Forget the voice and weight gain. She is nearly sixty. Her character was washed out. Gone were the sass and spunkiness. It was zombie acting and zombie script for her character. That's the problem.
Note about leia. Forget the voice and weight gain. She is nearly sixty. Her character was washed out. Gone were the sass and spunkiness. It was zombie acting and zombie script for her character. That's the problem.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:02 pm to prplhze2000
It was very interesting to read the essay length critiques with words like "arc" and phrases like "plot holes" used over and over. Pretty much the same geeks who use those words and phrases in every essay length film critique they write on the board. Some people try way to hard to be seen as the worlds most sophisticated film critic. Pathetic. Wanting....no, needing Internet validation.
Posted on 4/22/16 at 10:41 pm to DelU249
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this was updating the foundation so they can build new things on top of what exists
This. I mean they pretty much state the purpose of the film with the first spoken words on screen:
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This will begin to make things right.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 3:59 pm to GetCocky11
Why did Rey fly the Falcon better than Solo ever did in the OT? They go out of the way to make her take off very clumsy with the Falcon dragging on the ground and crashing into things yet minutes later she flies it effortlessly through a grave yard.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 4:06 pm to prplhze2000
Well she's split from the man she loves and watched her son turn into a psychopathic dark side adept. That would tend to mellow your spunk and sass. She's in pain.
Posted on 4/24/16 at 6:08 pm to JuiceTerry
Her part had oatmeal acting and oatmeal script. Bland, steel cut
Posted on 4/24/16 at 9:29 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Why did Rey fly the Falcon better than Solo ever did in the OT?
We never saw the pinnacle of Han's piloting prowess. He was a smuggler, and if you know anything about the Kessel Run, then that should tell you all you need to know about it. He was probably one of, if not the best pilot in the galaxy. Hopefully the film they will make about him will bring this all to light.
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They go out of the way to make her take off very clumsy with the Falcon dragging on the ground and crashing into things yet minutes later she flies it effortlessly through a grave yard.
It's addressed in the novelizations. However, even if this is discarded, it's not a stretch to justify it. She knows how spacecraft work, she's spent her entire life inside of them and learning all about them. She had a clear opinion on the falcon when they were running to find a ship ("That's garbage"), which leads us to believe she was familiar with the spacecraft at the spaceport. She pilots her own speeder, plus she is gifted and can pick things up quickly.
How was Luke able to fly an X-wing? He has his own speeder, and yet he tells Han the first time they meet that "I'm not such a bad pilot myself." In TFA, we're given more information than we were given for Luke in the OT on his initial piloting skills.
This post was edited on 4/24/16 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 4/24/16 at 11:52 pm to meeple
quote:That tells me nothing, other than a often-used line from the movies.
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Why did Rey fly the Falcon better than Solo ever did in the OT?
We never saw the pinnacle of Han's piloting prowess. He was a smuggler, and if you know anything about the Kessel Run, then that should tell you all you need to know about it.
If we're going from outside sources, the Kessel Run is a navigational feat, more than a flying feat. The "piloting" is more old-time piloting, like Anjin-son from Shogun, not "piloting" as in flying and aerial acrobatics.
quote:Again, terrible way to do something in a movie.
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They go out of the way to make her take off very clumsy with the Falcon dragging on the ground and crashing into things yet minutes later she flies it effortlessly through a grave yard.
It's addressed in the novelizations
quote:Being a mechanic does not qualify you to drive a race car or an airplane, it shouldn't effect flying a spaceship. Nor does seeing the ship and believing it to be junk. However, she does seem to have some inside info on what has been done to modify the Falcon, so she has been inside of it... so why doesn't she know what it is? The more you consider her initial comments about it being junk, and then how she knows everything about it, it makes you wonder a little.
However, even if this is discarded, it's not a stretch to justify it. She knows how spacecraft work, she's spent her entire life inside of them and learning all about them. She had a clear opinion on the falcon when they were running to find a ship ("That's garbage"), which leads us to believe she was familiar with the spacecraft at the spaceport
I guess an alternative is that the other, destroyed ship might just have been that much better
quote:Wrong, go back and watch Star Wars (A New Hope if you call it that), preferably an unmodified old version if you can find it.
How was Luke able to fly an X-wing? He has his own speeder, and yet he tells Han the first time they meet that "I'm not such a bad pilot myself." In TFA, we're given more information than we were given for Luke in the OT on his initial piloting skills.
There is a sleek looking craft in the garage, something angular, definitely not the landspeeder.
Luke talks about bulls-eyeing Womp Rats in Beggar's canyon from his T 65 (or whatever the designation is).
Biggs makes a comment vouching for Luke's piloting skills, the best bush pilot in the outer territories or something like that.
And that's all before he climbs into the X Wing.
There is nothing suggesting Rey has ever driven anything more than a speeder bike, prior to her piloting the Falcon. In fact, her storyline is that she's stuck on that desert planet, just scavenging away, waiting for the family to come get her.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 6:58 am to JabarkusRussell
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Why did Rey fly the Falcon better than Solo ever did in the OT?
Yeah, that whole thing about flying through an asteroid field while dodging star destroyers and tie fighters was just a piece of cake.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 6:59 am
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