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re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:14 am to abellsujr
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:14 am to abellsujr
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And so easily. This is something I have also been thinking about.
He did it twice too, and Banner gave in both times WAY too easily. The second time especially. Maybe when they were in the room working on it the scepter influenced Banner too. He wants the world to not need the Hulk. Remember what I said about him picking it up in the first movie? It might already have somewhat of a hold on him.....
The "AI" can influence, by amplifying the a person's desires which stem from anger, sadness, fear, loathing,....etc. It can can control using these emotions. Stark was rank with it after his vision. Which is probably why the SW waited till he was by the scepter to do it. When she saw his vision she knew the scepter had him. That was why she had the creepy smile.
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Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:15 am to Fewer Kilometers
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It's not wrong to make the comparison of the destruction in the two movies. I'm sure that MOS was in the minds of the Avengers writers as they made sure that every point of destruction was addressed either visually or with a line of script ("Has Stark Relief Services been notified?"). They made sure that they had an out for any criticism of their destroying two cities.
I have no problem with the comparison, but I do have a problem with what appears to be a pre-set narrative. Complaining that Ultron involves too much collateral damage and a lack of concern for civilian life (the charge lobbed at Superman), is one that bears little resemblance to the movie.
Now, the criticism that Marvel way over-compensated due to the criticism of Superman is one that makes sense. In fact, it's one I agree with. The problem here is not that AoU has way too much destruction porn, it's that the gymnastics in the script to assure the audience no one was harmed was incredibly distracting. There's a happy medium between AoU and MoS. But trying to portray them as having the same attitude towards collateral damage is simply wrong. They are polar opposites.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:16 am to jeff5891
No, you're just either too dense to understand (unlikely) or so devoutly dedicated to the avengers you can't acknowledge any fault or unrealized potential
its almost absurd really. You have an answer for everything. Is the avengers 2 the greatest motion picture ever made? Jeebus
its almost absurd really. You have an answer for everything. Is the avengers 2 the greatest motion picture ever made? Jeebus
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:17 am to Fewer Kilometers
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It would've been nice if we had seen the Avengers as a fully formed team for just one film. Instead we saw them infight until they were a team, then infight until they broke up.
Not quite accurate. We got the full blown team effect for the first 10-15 minutes. Woo-flippin-hoo.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:20 am to DelU249
quote:not everything, just your obvious trolling.
You have an answer for everything. Is the avengers 2 the greatest motion picture ever made?
you have been doing it quite a lot lately. 
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:20 am to VaBamaMan
A lot of back and forth going on in this thread and still not one decent explanation how Ultron was created in the first place.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:24 am to RedPants
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A lot of back and forth going on in this thread and still not one decent explanation how Ultron was created in the first place.
literally deus ex machina
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:27 am to Hawkeye95
i thought it was pretty evident how Ultron came to be. am i missing something?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:28 am to RedPants
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not one decent explanation how Ultron was created in the first place.
Tony and Bruce did it. Then he built himself an army and a better body. What more do you need to know?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:30 am to SSpaniel
ok, so I didn't miss anything then lol
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:39 am to jeff5891
Duh it's a comic book movie, I don't want no thought provoking shite
Who is trolling?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:43 am to RedPants
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A lot of back and forth going on in this thread and still not one decent explanation how Ultron was created in the first place.
Go back 2 or 3 pages.
Here it goes,
Hydra knew there was what they, and stark later, thought was an AI in the scepter. We know this because they were building robots. When the Avengers attacked, Stark went alone to get the scepter. While in there the SW induced a vision which she was able to see. Knowing his fear and helplessness was so strong. She knew the scepter could control him. She knew what the scepter really was because later on she is able to recognize, and neutralize its power. She knew he would do what it wanted him to do, which would destroy him, which was her goal. What she didn't realize was that it's final goal was what Thanos ordered, to destroy the earth and return the mind stone.
Stark, under the influence of the "AI" via the mind stone takes it back to his lab. While there he convinces Banner, with the help of the "Ai's" influence, to create Ultron with him. Unbeknownst to them, the AI then used their tech to download a copy of itself into the system. Problem is the copy was influenced by Jarvis and Stark's personality through the information fed it upon creation. Changing what it was intended to do. Destroy the world, bring back mind stone. Ultron was born from this.
Ultron tried to create Vision because he needed the body to use the mind stone. The only way he could have known the stone was there was if he was a copy of the "AI". Not even Thor knew it was in the scepter.
Also, it wasn't actually an "AI". Stark and Banner thought it was because they couldn't have recognized what it really was. Also, computer programs are inherently ordered. Look at the 3D image of Jarvis. It was spherical. The "AI" from the scepter was amoeba like. It wasnt artificial. It was a being's consciousness. Which is why Ultron only being a copy of it, couldn't control the mind stone without the Vision body.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:49 am to VaBamaMan
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VaBamaMan
If all of that is true, they did an absolutely horrible job of explaining it. I never once thought Stark was under the influence of the scepter.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:50 am to VaBamaMan
there it is - well said
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:50 am to VaBamaMan
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Not even Thor knew it was in the scepter.
Probably a stupid question but did Loki know? Or did he just think he and his scepter had a really cool "parlor trick" for lack of a better word?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:51 am to DelU249
I am not reading through 15 pages to see if this was discussed, so forgive me if it's been...
Did anyone else have a problem with the color pallet of the film? All the colors were muted throughout, and it was awashed in grays or golds, depending on the scene. There also seemed to be a mist like element too. It made viewing it a chore to discern everything, and it was quite a distraction.
My friend had the best description of it: cataracts. That's really what it felt like much of the time. Did Weeden take a page from Zach Snyder? I really liked the movie overall, but this was an annoyance that I couldn't get over. I am not sure I could sit through it again due to it.
Did anyone else have a problem with the color pallet of the film? All the colors were muted throughout, and it was awashed in grays or golds, depending on the scene. There also seemed to be a mist like element too. It made viewing it a chore to discern everything, and it was quite a distraction.
My friend had the best description of it: cataracts. That's really what it felt like much of the time. Did Weeden take a page from Zach Snyder? I really liked the movie overall, but this was an annoyance that I couldn't get over. I am not sure I could sit through it again due to it.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:52 am to VaBamaMan
My head is spinning
What about:
Bad guys want to seize control of the world's governments, so they create the AI being known as ultron. Ultron turns on his creators and begins enacting a plan to eradicate humanity from the planet. The avengers must swoop into action to save the day.
What about:
Bad guys want to seize control of the world's governments, so they create the AI being known as ultron. Ultron turns on his creators and begins enacting a plan to eradicate humanity from the planet. The avengers must swoop into action to save the day.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:55 am to SSpaniel
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Probably a stupid question but did Loki know? Or did he just think he and his scepter had a really cool "parlor trick" for lack of a better word?
No he didn't. I think the Scepter was the true Antagonist for both movies. Thanos gave Loki the scepter knowing he needed someone whose personal motivations would allow the scepter to fully control him, and he wanted someone with super powers physically inherent.
He sent Loki to earth under the pretense of Loki's revenge. In reality he wanted the earth destroyed because it was proving to be ready for a higher form of warfare, and he wanted Loki to bring him the tesseract.
The Scepter was influencing Loki the entire time.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:56 am to DelU249
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Bad guys want to seize control of the world's governments, so they create the AI being known as ultron. Ultron turns on his creators and begins enacting a plan to eradicate humanity from the planet. The avengers must swoop into action to save the day.
Would have been so much better if Ultron was a Hydra creation that wasn't fully completed, and Stark gets his hands on it right before completion, implements it into his Iron Legion, and the whole thing backfires. Basically, do something similar to what they did without shoe horning the infinity stone into it.
Posted on 5/4/15 at 12:00 pm to RedPants
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If all of that is true, they did an absolutely horrible job of explaining it. I never once thought Stark was under the influence of the scepter.
A) they cut an hour out of that they really wanted in the movie.
B) Marvel has always hidden major future implications in seemingly innocuous tidbits.
C) the fact they didn't explain it, is why I think it is true.
Did no one else find it non-coincidental that they couldn't make it work for 3 days, and then the second they walk out the door it is suddenly created?
There a ton of details pointing to exactly what I am saying. Every time I talk about it I flesh out another logical sign pointing to it.
Edit: they don't always do it. They sometimes do it. Other things are spelled out.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 12:02 pm
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