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re: Your Houston Astros. over/under 88 wins this year.

Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:54 am to
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:54 am to
He changed his approach in tune to the .180 he's hitting now?

He's never going to be more than a .230-.250 hitter, so I just don't think he'll ever have the potential to get much higher than .350 OBP

He's already an older prospect. What, he's 25-26? I think he's just kinda get what you see
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:55 am to
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Would you rather a .291 hitter that gets on .422 or a .320 hitter that gets on .375?

Yea it's pretty irrelevant. A Bryant walk is the same as an Altuve single

Well that's not true. Walks don't score runners from 2nd or 3rd base. I'm surprised the stats gurus haven't come up with something to compare a walk to a single. They act like they are equal, which is as lazy as calling post season "luck" or measuring pitchers based on strikeouts (every ball in play is equal, per them).
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 11:56 am to
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You can't help if I guy walks because he doesn't see a pitch to hit. The same way a swing of the bat can result in a single, it can also result in an out. With that being said, who's BA/OBP combo are you taking? Feel free to answer


Altuve will never draw a lot of walks because his approach is similar to what Vlad Guerrero's was.

I'll take the second basemen that won the AL batting title and stole 56 bases last season though. That's not saying Bryant isn't good though. Why can't they both be good? Why do you got to paint one as good and the other as shite?
Posted by rlebl39
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:00 pm to
It doesn't matter what his age is. He still hasn't had a full 162 games in the bigs. He's still adjusting to major league pitching.

No matter what you are going to nitpick anything with the Astros, never look at the full picture, and never give a player his due because you don't like them.
Posted by rlebl39
League City, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:02 pm to
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I'm surprised the stats gurus haven't come up with something to compare a walk to a single. They act like they are equal, which is as lazy as calling post season "luck" or measuring pitchers based on strikeouts (every ball in play is equal, per them).


I'm not a stat guru, but this is why they all use wRC+ for a players worth now. I don't completely understand it, but it's supposedly the best offensive stat.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:02 pm to
It's not really Bryant who I have questions about. Cubs fans were discussing when they should trade Castro but I haven't been impressed by Russell or Baez at all so far.
Posted by The Seaward
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:03 pm to
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Well that's not true. Walks don't score runners from 2nd or 3rd base. I'm surprised the stats gurus haven't come up with something to compare a walk to a single. They act like they are equal, which is as lazy as calling post season "luck" or measuring pitchers based on strikeouts (every ball in play is equal, per them).


wOBA weights singles higher than walks due to it advancing runners
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:04 pm to
They both can be good. I love Altuve but someone has to be better.



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It doesn't matter what his age is. He still hasn't had a full 162 games in the bigs. He's still adjusting to major


The underlying point is there is a reason he is this old and hasn't had a full season of AB's.

If I thought Springer was going to turn into this mega star id say it. But his K's will always limit him
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:04 pm to
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It's awesome how you never address any of my points head on. You do realize how this makes you look, right?

You sit and jab and say I don't make sense but you're always scared to engage and say why.



How I look? So? I've addressed every one of your points except your OBP and BA points because it's been mulled over 100 times because you know how to steer arguments your way. You've turned a thread about the Astros into a Kris Bryant thread after a comment that wasn't even directed at you.

I've said I'd love to have Bryant. I've said Springer has made me look like an a-hole multiple times because of his ridiculous lack of contact right now.

Yet, you get into threads like this to take any number you possibly can to discredit what's going on right now in Houston. The fricking A's.

The Astros have the 3rd best record in baseball. Better pitching. More runs Than your Cubs. In the end, it's obviously all bout BA and OBP of individual players ...and I'm the one that needs to worry about the "way I look."
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:10 pm to
Yea, the way you look. You're too stupid and lazy to come up with a rebuttal. Then someone else says something and you're only play is to piggy back then..... Cause you're too stupid and lazy.


As far as the A's you said their offense would suck and they would only score 2-3 runs a game. They are 5th in the MLB in runs. nuff said
Posted by Prominentwon
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:32 pm to
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As far as the A's you said their offense would suck and they would only score 2-3 runs a game. They are 5th in the MLB in runs. nuff said





How's that working out for them?
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:35 pm to
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It's not really Bryant who I have questions about. Cubs fans were discussing when they should trade Castro but I haven't been impressed by Russell or Baez at all so far.

prospects are prospects. Cubs hype their prospects (although not to the extent the Red Sox do). Look at the Red Sox "can't miss" duo of Betts and Boegarts and Bradley Jr. from last year. Bryant was the only real can't miss in MLB and that's because he was the best looking minor league hitter since Mike Trout. Buxton is looking like a bust too, despite his enduring presence in the top 5 lists.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:48 pm to
You realize Russell was hyped before he even got to Chicago? And he's currently the youngest player in baseball

Speaking of mike trout, look at his first cup of coffee. Terrible. Most 21-22 year olds have an adjustment period. It's a huge accomplishment for players to make the league at that age, whether they play well or not.

I'm not that High on Baez but he is still only 22. Betts and Bogaerts are among the youngest guys in the AL. Bradley Jr has been a really good minor leaguer.

It's almost impossible for teams to "pump" their own players up these days in the internet age. So many scouts and evaluators put out a ton of info on the internet, twitter, etc. It's not like 15-20 years ago when the Yankees would pump their prospects up, to try and get a higher value in trade.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6088 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:14 pm to
We'll see. If the Cubs get a 50% hit rate on Soler, Russell, Baez, and a couple of others, that would be an absolute smash.
Prospects just have a high bust rate.
Russell was in A ball a year ago. Rushing him a little?
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94482 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:20 pm to
Oh where to begin?

quote:

well, you have 3 regulars hitting under .200

and another 3 that are hitting under .240


And even with 3 regulars hitting under .200, we're tied for the most wins in baseball. Sounds like were a pretty good team. Winning even when other players aren't pulling their weight. Do you really expect that 3 players (a few of them with insanely low BAbip) will hit below .200 all year? Get real.

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leads AL SS in WAR, HR, OPS, and 2nd in RBI. His defense isnt good but im pretty sure he's on pace to be an all star.


Your opinion on all stars is forever irrelevant

"Brian Dozer snubbed for frickin altuve. guess they had to pick an astro" ~7/6/14 chicks dig the long ball I guess

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Or you can have some big skids, like they have had twice this year


These "big skids" you're referring to....Do you mean our 3 game losing streak or the 2 game losing streaks?

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A Bryant walk is the same as an Altuve single


Personally I enjoy the Altuve home runs. 5>4.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:21 pm to
There was a hole at 2B because of injuries. He's been pretty good the last 15 games since adjusting.
Posted by Prominentwon
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Member since Jan 2005
93714 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:26 pm to
I can't comment or I'll be accused of piggybacking.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53779 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:31 pm to
I just went through today's Cubs thread. Nary a trolling Astros fan there. However, you Cubs guys love to jump into our DAT's and other Astros related threads just to troll. It's pretty laughable, but sad at the same time.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:34 pm to
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These "big skids" you're referring to....Do you mean our 3 game losing streak or the 2 game losing streaks?




lost 6 of the first 10, then had a skid in early may where they lost 6 of 8.


quote:

And even with 3 regulars hitting under .200, we're tied for the most wins in baseball. Sounds like were a pretty good team. Winning even when other players aren't pulling their weight. Do you really expect that 3 players (a few of them with insanely low BAbip) will hit below .200 all year? Get real.




Carter career .217 hitter
Springer career .218 hitter

Gattis/Castro career .242 hitters

I mean, it's not terribly far off. "Bad" hitters can fall into prolong slumps like this. I don't see why it's so far fetched that they were automatically get better.

With that being said, you are going on record in saying that the Astro's wins will only accelerate from here on out? I mean, since they are winning games with these guys not hitting. Is that how it goes?


quote:

Your opinion on all stars is forever irrelevant

"Brian Dozer snubbed for frickin altuve. guess they had to pick an astro" ~7/6/14 chicks dig the long ball I guess


So you are saying Semien is not all star caliber?

as for Dozier being snubbed....

Dude had a case. Only a homer would say otherwise. Dude led all MLB 2B in HR & Runs by the break, by far. More HR, RBI, and RUns than Altuve. Hi homer!


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Personally I enjoy the Altuve home runs. 5>4.




i guess enjoy it while it lasts
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278324 posts
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:35 pm to
where exactly am i trolling?

i love baseball.
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