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re: Your Houston Astros. over/under 88 wins this year.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:46 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Carter career .217 hitter
Springer career .218 hitter
Gattis/Castro career .242 hitters
I mean, it's not terribly far off. "Bad" hitters can fall into prolong slumps like this. I don't see why it's so far fetched that they were automatically get better
So is batting average irrelevant or not?
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Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:48 pm to Lester Earl
I also don't understand what the Cubs are planning on doing for pitching over the next 4-5 years. Because signing 30 year old dudes clearly isn't the answer. Back end of that Lester deal finna look pretty bad
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:52 pm to High C
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So is batting average irrelevant or not?
It is pretty irrelevant when comparing it to OBP.
But It's hard for any player hitting that low to have any redeeming quality at the plate.
Springer's walks are keeping him afloat somewhat, but the other guys, not so much.
I could have cited OBP and my point would have still stood. Not sure people like you & Prom would have understood it though.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Carter career .217 hitter Springer career .218 hitter
Wait first you say that BA isn't a good stat, which I agree with, but now you reference BA's?
Also that "career" BA of springer is 111 games.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:56 pm to Lester Earl
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I could have cited OBP and my point would have still stood. Not sure people like you & Prom would have understood it though.
You didn't, though.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:57 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I also don't understand what the Cubs are planning on doing for pitching over the next 4-5 years.
well they have Arrieta & Hammel signed thru 2017. Arrieta has ace stuff, and Hammel is a very solid SP3.
I assume they'll make a splash in free agency or via trade.
There are a few arms in the system that are pretty electric. It's hard to predict pitching though.
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Because signing 30 year old dudes clearly isn't the answer. Back end of that Lester deal finna look pretty bad
the backend will prob be scary, like most big contracts in baseball. You have to pay to play. It's not really a huge deal for a big market club like the Cubs though.
With all the home grown hitting talent, they'll have money to afford pitching when they need it.
30 really isn't old for a pitcher. 34-35 ill start to worry.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:58 pm to GynoSandberg
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Like Bryant is on pace to get to that AL HR record.
He definitely transcends leagues
Forgive Prom. He thought his Stros were in the nl central very recently.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:59 pm to rlebl39
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Wait first you say that BA isn't a good stat, which I agree with, but now you reference BA's?
It's not a good stat in comparison to OBP.
Show me a good player that hits .200 though.
Batting average is not totally void of context. But when compared to other stats, like OBP, it's pretty meaningless. This really isn't that hard to follow, is it?
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Also that "career" BA of springer is 111 games.
will you let me know when i can officially say Springer will never hit for a high average?
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:02 pm to Lester Earl
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will you let me know when i can officially say Springer will never hit for a high average?
After at least 2 full seasons. He's only 25 and has had less than a full season. Hitting takes time to adjust, just like you said earlier. But I guess since he doesn't play for the Cubs he doesn't have time to adjust.
His numbers from the minors show that he is capable of hitting for a high average.
Plus he brings aggressiveness on the base paths, speed and great defense.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:05 pm to Lester Earl
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With all the home grown hitting talent, they'll have money to afford pitching when they need it.
30 really isn't old for a pitcher. 34-35 ill start to worry.
There are exceptions but building a rotation through long term deals to 30-31 year olds in free agency is not an outstanding strategy
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:08 pm to rlebl39
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Hitting takes time to adjust, just like you said earlier.
i was speaking of 21-22year old guys coming up. Not guys that will be 26 in 3 months.
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But I guess since he doesn't play for the Cubs he doesn't have time to adjust.
Of course he should have time to adjust, I would just think his numbers would be improving, and not getting worse from last year.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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There are exceptions but building a rotation through long term deals to 30-31 year olds in free agency is not an outstanding strategy
i don't think it is, but there are exceptions. You can't predict the future.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:13 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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There are exceptions but building a rotation through long term deals to 30-31 year olds in free agency is not an outstanding strategy
yea it really hurts the salary cap amirite
It may hurt a team like Houston, but it doesn't matter to the Cubs
Cubs pocket are deep, the new ownership doesn't care about money. Look back at WS champs over the past 20 years and check the veteran pitching who was signed and made a huge impact
You guys need to wait on "Obies" and other career AAAA pitchers their career 5 ERA for rotation help. When the time comes for the Cubs to make a serious push, they will just sign a David Price type and be done with it. Lester will be slotted as a 2 eventually, Arrieta a 3 and so on
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:19 pm to GynoSandberg
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Cubs pocket are deep. Look back at WS champs over the past 20 years and check the veteran pitching who was signed and made a huge impact
Who on the Cubs projects to be like Bumgarner, Wainwright, Hamels, Cain, etc?
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:21 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Arrieta-Lester-Hammel + another FA next year is pretty formidable
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
Maybe, the years Arrieta and Hammel had last year were outliers to the rest of their careers. And even if it was formidable for next year, it doesn't answer the long term question. They will need to develop homegrown pitching at some point all those guys including the FA will be 30+ next year
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:26 pm to Lester Earl
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you can't predict the future
we can't, but you can.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:29 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Who on the Cubs projects to be like Bumgarner, Wainwright, Hamels, Cain, etc?
Or projects to be a Lester?
Dude has logged 20 playoff innings during two World Series champion runs and gave up 1 ER
Even so, he's not the ace of the future. Arrieta is already a better pitcher. The Cubs will still throw money at a big name, younger ace in the next year or two
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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You guys need to wait on "Obies" and other career AAAA pitchers their career 5 ERA for rotation help. When the time comes for the Cubs to make a serious push, they will just sign a David Price type and be done with it.
I don't want to get involved with this discussion but I think we need to wait until the Astros are in a position to really contend (this coming offseason) to judge how Crane is willing to spend. He's had no incentive to spend big $'s yet (even though they got shite on for not signing players when they weren't going to be contending) but I expect them to make a splash in FA this winter.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 2:34 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Arrieta has thrown 260 innings as a Cub.
18-11 2.80 ERA 259K's
It's safe to say Arrieta is indeed for real.
Hammel has 155IP as a Cub. 3.02 ERA , 145K's. Even with a regression he's a SP4 or SP5 on a good staff. That's all they need of him.
30+ is kinda dramatic when they'll all be about 30years old
they also have a bunch of talented arms in their system.
18-11 2.80 ERA 259K's
It's safe to say Arrieta is indeed for real. Hammel has 155IP as a Cub. 3.02 ERA , 145K's. Even with a regression he's a SP4 or SP5 on a good staff. That's all they need of him.
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They will need to develop homegrown pitching at some point all those guys including the FA will be 30+ next year
30+ is kinda dramatic when they'll all be about 30years old
they also have a bunch of talented arms in their system.
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