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re: Wouldn't an eight team playoff just shift the controversy down a few rankings?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:35 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good. It's better to screw over the true #8 team than the the true #2 like in the past and currently the true #4.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:44 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yeah, let's let in some even less deserving teams!
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:47 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Yes. God I hope we go to an 8 team field soon.
P5 champs plus 3 at large bids and be fricking done with it. 9th team has NO argument to play for a title. No musical chairs with which conference(s) get left out.
P5 champs plus 3 at large bids and be fricking done with it. 9th team has NO argument to play for a title. No musical chairs with which conference(s) get left out.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 6:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The 5th best team in America has a far more realistic shot of winning it all than the 10th best.
Plus, 8 allows for auto bids for conference champs
Plus, 8 allows for auto bids for conference champs
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The 5th best team in America has a far more realistic shot of winning it all than the 10th best.
This. Given how regional/ubiquitous cfb is, it stands to reason that there are a handful of elite teams that would make a reasonably competitive playoff field.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:This. I've been arguing for this on the board for a few days now, and I'm actually surprised by some of the pushback against this. I don't understand why honestly.
The 5th best team in America has a far more realistic shot of winning it all than the 10th best.
Plus, 8 allows for auto bids for conference champs
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:20 pm to Kodar
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I don't understand why honestly.
There are plenty of valid reasons not to expand. Ranging from simple logistics of adding yet another game to preserving the greatness of the regular season.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:27 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:I've heard this many times, yet adding the twist of home field for higher seeds places significant value on the regular season. Additionally, with the idea of auto-bid for winning your conference, the regular season, albeit with your conference, is extremely important.
Ranging from simple logistics of adding yet another game to preserving the greatness of the regular season.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:40 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'd go with a 6 team playoff where 1 and 2 get a bye.
Even though it lets two more teams in, it also rewards the top 2 teams a little more than the others.
5 conference champs and 1 at large. Doesn't devalue the regular season as much as an 8 team tourney and places huge emphasis on the championship games.
I think it's pretty lame that it essentially doesn't matter if Bama wins Saturday. In this scenario, even though they would get the at large, its significant because they would bump OSU out.
Also, teams would beef up their non conference schedules because you'd have to have a really impressive resume for that 1 at large spot.
Even though it lets two more teams in, it also rewards the top 2 teams a little more than the others.
5 conference champs and 1 at large. Doesn't devalue the regular season as much as an 8 team tourney and places huge emphasis on the championship games.
I think it's pretty lame that it essentially doesn't matter if Bama wins Saturday. In this scenario, even though they would get the at large, its significant because they would bump OSU out.
Also, teams would beef up their non conference schedules because you'd have to have a really impressive resume for that 1 at large spot.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:52 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
8 teams. All P5 champs get in plus 3 wild cards
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:59 pm to Kodar
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I've heard this many times, yet adding the twist of home field for higher seeds places significant value on the regular season. Additionally, with the idea of auto-bid for winning your conference, the regular season, albeit with your conference, is extremely important.
When will the first round of the playoff games be held?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:02 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:There are Alabama and Auburn fans in this thread. Cut this shite out.
ubiquitous
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
People will bitch no matter what happens...but one thing we can all agree on is that bowls suck.
Wild Card teams win the SB sometimes. Nobody gives a shite about that. Say what you will about the NFL, but the playoffs are F'ing incredible.
Wild Card teams win the SB sometimes. Nobody gives a shite about that. Say what you will about the NFL, but the playoffs are F'ing incredible.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:A week or two after the CCG.
When will the first round of the playoff games be held?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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P5 champs plus 3 at large bids
frick that. Pass on 7-6 UCLA or 8-5 Wisconsin going ahead of one-loss Oregon or Georgia.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:47 pm to Kodar
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I don't understand why honestly.
There would need to be significant changes made to the structure of college football, and most conferences wouldn't go for them.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:56 pm to Kodar
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A week or two after the CCG.
So the #8 team in America gets to travel to the #1 team's home stadium. If it loses, it will have less bowl practice (which many coaches use to help develop younger players) and will effectively be sitting at home for the rest of December while every bowl team gets whined and dined for their bowl trips. Seems like a terrible reward for a Top 10 season. That's silly, but if we're talking fairness that kind of sucks. Not to mention that we're extending the playoffs into the heart of holiday and exam season. Plus, if we're trying to take subjectivity out of the equation, then deciding who gets home field advantage doesn't really help matters.
But what nobody seems to consider is that the 85 man roster was designed for 12 games with fewer plays per game. With an 8 team playoff, we would be looking at 16 games with roughly 15-20 more plays per game. Alabama is one of the deepest and best conditioned teams in the country, and we were physically drained by the end of the Clemson game. Asking players, which are amateurs, to play an additional game is really risking injuries. Saban and Meyer have stated that multiple times. Current FBS college rosters are not designed to go that kind of distance. Sure you can get away with that in the FCS but the level of physicality in the FBS is light years tougher. You may end up getting a survivor instead of a champion. To lighten the load, teams will schedule cupcakes OOC instead of quality opponents since Conference Championships will be all that matters. But hey, at least the #7 team was treated fairly!
This argument for fairness is of the same mindset that want players to be paid and turn college football into NFL-lite. Sure it all sounds good in theory but it just isn't practical and will ultimately harm what makes college football great. Expanding more than what we have no dilutes the product and really challenges the structure of college football for what end? To pacify the #5 team? There's no disputing that Ohio State and Alabama were the National Champions of 2014 and 2015. That's the goal. The system worked.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The playoffs need to expand to 10(conference champs only) then there is no controversy.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Assuming the big favorites win this week, and assuming there were an eight team playoff that had reasonable G5 access and a no-more-than-two-from-the-same-conference rule like the BCS had, the eight playoff teams most likely would be:
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Big Ten Champion
Pacific-12 Champion
Big 12 Champion
Southern California
Western Michigan
Alabama
Clemson
Ohio State
Big Ten Champion
Pacific-12 Champion
Big 12 Champion
Southern California
Western Michigan
Posted on 11/28/16 at 11:52 pm to FairhopeTider
quote:Thus the benefit of a short break before the first playoff round. They could still be placed in a bowl. To another point however, there are already way too many bowl games, and in the end they are little more than glorified exhibition matches. So you won a good bowl game. Here's your trophy, the extra practices. Guess who cares in 5 years?
So the #8 team in America gets to travel to the #1 team's home stadium. If it loses, it will have less bowl practice (which many coaches use to help develop younger players) and will effectively be sitting at home for the rest of December while every bo
Why is there a massive amount of games in a postseason that are nothing more than dead ends?
quote:The only subjective one becomes where does #4 play #5. You could just say frick it and make that one neutral field to shut up complaints.
Plus, if we're trying to take subjectivity out of the equation, then deciding who gets home field advantage doesn't really help matters.
Edit: Just realized what I said here. Yes, the above has the flaw of determining who is 4 and 5 and so on. At the end of the day, the home field addition is not needed, and I honestly could live without it for the sake of lower subjectivity. I mention it because it seems to be a popular opinion.
quote:CFB is already NFL-lite. It's the NFL's glorified minor league for crying out loud. Players are already paid. You know it and I know it.
This argument for fairness is of the same mindset that want players to be paid and turn college football into NFL-lite.
quote:It does not dilute the product. Diluting the product is something like having way too many damn bowl games and an incredibly subjective post season. At the end of the day, every champion in NCAA history can be disputed because MULTIPLE elite teams have had no chance at a championship through the years. Guess what would have happened if the BCS existed in 2014? Bama would have played Florida State. frick that noise.
Expanding more than what we have no dilutes the product and really challenges the structure of college football for what end? To pacify the #5 team? There's no disputing that Ohio State and Alabama were the National Champions of 2014 and 2015. That's the goal. The system worked.
You then say the 4 team playoff worked. To an extent, yes, but the gap between the teams in #1-8 is not huge. Now #1 and #10 starts getting tricky, but to say #8 doesn't belong on the field discredits every team out there that busts their arse to improve through the season. Who knows if the champion for a single season dating back as far as you can remember would be the same if the playoff had been a factor those years? No one, and we will never know either. Yes, that includes 2010 as an AU fan.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 11:56 pm
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