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re: Why is football such a target in the media?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:42 pm to mattz1122
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:42 pm to mattz1122
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It's solely the union's fault why exactly?
player safety falls within the CBA. which party has a duty to players when negotiating the CBA?
as Highlander would say, there can be only one
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Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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therefore, it is a symbol of patriarchy and male traits that need to be bred from society
therefore, the effects of those traits must be magnified in order to shame them out of existence
Black Privilege?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:42 pm to taylork37
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Deflect away good sir.
i asked a question that you refused to answer. that is the definition of deflection
and in an ironic twist, in furthering your deflection, you accuse me of deflection
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:44 pm to Kracka
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Black Privilege?
well the progressives do have an issue with parading around inner-city youths but that's more reserved for their arguments re: CFB
over time, football is going to become even more lower class and almost a gladitorial spectacle. you'll probably see the class warfare angle ramp up when this happens
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
So that absolves the NFL from any responsiblity? All parties can't be responsible?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Your rhetorical question asking is the deflection, not my refusal to answer it. 
This post was edited on 2/6/16 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:47 pm to mattz1122
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So that absolves the NFL from any responsiblity?
yes. the CBA literally does this as well by superseding all previous agreements
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All parties can't be responsible?
the players want a union to negotiate a CBA on their behalf and by doing this they created a system where the NFL isn't liable
you can't create a collective bargaining arrangement and then cry foul when you negotiate a bad deal and blame your bad negotiations on the other side being better at it. that literally makes no sense, especially when reminded that the players created the adversarial system in the first place
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:48 pm to Tactical1
The average life expectancy an NFL player if 54, that's fricking scary.
Are people still believing this? It is simply not true.
Are people still believing this? It is simply not true.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:48 pm to taylork37
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Your rhetorical question asking i
it wasn't rhetorical. it was a direct question following your generic choice of words. it was so generic it had no real meaning
i asked you to define the words so that an actual conversation could commence and you avoided doing so
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
My choice of words were not generic...you blamed the perceived "targeting of the NFL in social media" on feminism and the progressive media, which is bullshite.
I questioned that very focused [bullshite] narrative and your next words were:
Which has jack shite to do with the topic. Hence my comment about you being a PT board crony. Pretty clear ehh?
I questioned that very focused [bullshite] narrative and your next words were:
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are you arguing that western society hasn't been forced into being very feminized over the past 3-4 decades?
Which has jack shite to do with the topic. Hence my comment about you being a PT board crony. Pretty clear ehh?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 7:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Why would any of that preclude the media for roasting the NFL for not providing proper protection, preventative measures, post-career healthcare, etc. (I.e. Taking care of its employees). How about the league denying the CTE link and attempting to squelch the controversy for years? How does that make them look?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:01 pm to taylork37
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you blamed the perceived "targeting of the NFL in social media" on feminism and the progressive media, which is bullshite.
it's not bullshite
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I questioned that very focused [bullshite] narrative
you asked
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Do you believe in the boogey man?
so i asked if you denied that the "boogey man" i posted of existed or not
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Which has jack shite to do with the topic.
how does the feminization of men have nothing to do with me saying that football is a vestige to the era preceding this?
after i asked that direct question about your alleged "boogey man" you deflected and then turned this thread into Robert's Rules of Procedure. you've failed to defend your rhetorical point even when i allowed you to directly do so
and then, in your last post, you create a comparison that is so bad that it's not even a straw man. you've gone well beyond that and you've basically created your own reality to attempt to construct a point, since actually being in actual reality is too difficult for you to attempt one
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:04 pm to mattz1122
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Why would any of that preclude the media for roasting the NFL for not providing proper protection, preventative measures, post-career healthcare, etc.
the union didn't negotiate for any of these. the union specifically fought to give up their cut for retired players
the NFL doesn't "provide" these things. the NFL and the NFLPA negotiate for each of these things. the NFLPA wanted more money and didn't care to negotiate for safety. that's their choice and they should have to live with it
why is it the NFL's fault that the NFLPA chose money over safety?
how is it somehow moral to force the NFL to pay the NFLPA while the NFLPA gets 100% of the revenue it negotiated for?
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How about the league denying the CTE link and attempting to squelch the controversy for years?
they hired experts
the NFLPA could have done so. or used the existing literature as a basis to negotiate. it negotiated for other benefits
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How does that make them look?
if you're looking at the scenario rationally, it makes them look like a party who negotiated a CBA
now if you want an emotional analysis allowed to be done after the fact? you can spin it to make them look evil
now you could do the same with the NFLPA, and it would fit moreso, yet we don't see the same thing. why?
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
You can't say you're arguing rationally after your first post.
A rational person also wouldn't trust the NFL's hired experts.
Giving a shite about your employees' health doesn't make you an emotional nutcase. This is where the media critics enter the discussion. But reducing it to merely an issue of emotion makes me wonder if you're a sociopath.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you've basically created your own reality to attempt to construct a point, since actually being in actual reality is too difficult for you to attempt one
I'm just going to bow out at this fine statement. I am not worthy.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:14 pm to mattz1122
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A rational person also wouldn't trust the NFL's hired experts.
i don't. the problem is that the Union didn't even get experts because the players gave 0 fricks about concussions
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Giving a shite about your employees' health doesn't make you an emotional nutcase.
player safety is directly negotiated in the CBA
that's why there are fewer practices, OTAs, etc. the NFLPA gave a shite about THAT aspect of player safety and negotiated for it
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But reducing it to merely an issue of emotion makes me wonder if you're a sociopath.
i'm talking about analysis and argument. emotional arguments are basically worthless
ignoring reality to make the NFL a bad guy instead of the organization that had a duty to the players is an emotional argument
this is a 2 question discussion
is player safety an area negotiated in the CBA? yes
is the NFLPA the organization with a duty to the players when negotiating the CBA? yes
/argument
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:16 pm to PatDyesPants
It's a bunch of pretentious liberals who hate machismo with a vengeance.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:20 pm to taylork37
He's just one of the worst trolls on TD
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP
The NFLPA has allowed its own members wear outdated and equipment that's not even manufactured anymore and bargained out the practice and game helment out of use in NFL.
I do not understand why they yell safety yet have negotiated to allow an unsafe practices regarding the most essential equipment to continue.
The NFLPA has allowed its own members wear outdated and equipment that's not even manufactured anymore and bargained out the practice and game helment out of use in NFL.
I do not understand why they yell safety yet have negotiated to allow an unsafe practices regarding the most essential equipment to continue.
Posted on 2/6/16 at 8:22 pm to Asphodel
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It's a bunch of pretentious liberals who hate machismo with a vengeance.
Speaking of boogeymen....
Four major sports news outlets are direct business partners with the NFL and either ignore many negative stories, do damage control, and are blatant mouthpieces for the league.
But yeah, keep pushing that "liberal media" narrative. You know--the "liberal media" that are owned by some of the biggest corporations and capitalists on the planet.
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