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Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:23 pm to Moustache
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2. Career BA for Jeter- .312
Career BA for Biggio- .281
Jeter gets a pretty solid edge here.
I think this is your answer. They are both pretty comparable otherwise, but .312 over the course of a career is pretty amazing. .281 isn't bad at all, but compared to .312 it is nothing.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:47 pm to Moustache
Biggio gets in next year. Both Jeter and the Bigg will have played 39 years combined for their teams.
Biggio was a cool guy as is Jeter. I am a fan of both men because they played the game the right way with talent and respect for their opponenents. Both have given much to their communities outside of baseball.
Both deserve HoF...no doubt.
Biggio was a cool guy as is Jeter. I am a fan of both men because they played the game the right way with talent and respect for their opponenents. Both have given much to their communities outside of baseball.
Both deserve HoF...no doubt.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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That is all very romantic but Paul O'Neil, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams and David Cone all had more to do with the resurgence of the Yankees than Jeter did
I'm not very romantic and I think Mo ws the most irreplaceble member on those teams. I just didn't see it then that the three mentioned were any more important than Jeter but I'll agree to disagree.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:31 pm to JackVincennes
Jeter may be the best SS of all time. Numbers don't tell the entire story. Both will be in the hall.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:26 pm to Moustache
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naturally I disliked the astros.
I lived in the Houston area and loved the Astros from the beginning. Saw the first homerun in the dome. Saw baseball on the dead grass before astroturf was invented and installed.
Remember complaining loudly when we traded some fading superstar for Biggio and Bagwell.
Didn't take long to cheer them both - they are class people as well as great baseball players. Biggo was great. deserves the HOF asap.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:34 pm to Moustache
This is to stupid to even respond too..
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:34 pm to Moustache
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What separates Derek Jeter from Craig Biggio?
One hit a week.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:20 am to alajones
Jeter showed up in big moments.
Jeter was the captain of the Yankees.
Stolen bases are not a good comparison, as the game changed and the Yankees were not a running team, but what was the % caught?
The biggest difference though to me is that Jeter played SS not 2nd or CF. If Biggio would have stayed at C would he put up same numbers?
Jeter was the captain of the Yankees.
Stolen bases are not a good comparison, as the game changed and the Yankees were not a running team, but what was the % caught?
The biggest difference though to me is that Jeter played SS not 2nd or CF. If Biggio would have stayed at C would he put up same numbers?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:07 am to VerlanderBEAST
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That is all very romantic but Paul O'Neil, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams and David Cone all had more to do with the resurgence of the Yankees than Jeter did
lol
To say they all had more to do with it is silly. They were a dynasty that relied on a lot of different pieces. As a kid in his young 20s, he was one of the main leaders of a team full of old veterans. That just doesn't happen.
He was a huge part of those teams.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 5:16 am to ChineseBandit58
The astros drafted biggio. No 'superstar' was ever traded for him.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 6:31 am to BayouBengals03
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lol
To say they all had more to do with it is silly. They were a dynasty that relied on a lot of different pieces. As a kid in his young 20s, he was one of the main leaders of a team full of old veterans. That just doesn't happen.
He was a huge part of those teams.
Again all that is romantic but Jeter had less to do with the Yankees resurgence than all the guys I named
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:31 am to TigerBait2008
quote:Well you went 1-3 there so you have a better average than both Jeter and Biggio
This is to stupid to even respond too..
Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:33 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Again all that is romantic but Jeter had less to do with the Yankees resurgence than all the guys I named
If you think David Cone had more to do with the Yankees' resurgence than Derek Jeter then you really just need to give up now.
Dude had some kind of aneurysm in 1996 and missed the majority of the season. Jeter was Rookie of the Year and one of the top 4 hitters on the team.
And that was the first year they won.
From 1998-2000? You know, the years of the three-peat? Jeter was .337/.413/.505 with WARs above 7 in two of those years.
He was a great player in all the years that they won, as well as the leader of the team by the end of the dynasty. To act like there's no chance he was one of, if not the biggest, reason for their resurgence (LOL at David Cone), you have to be a big time hater of the dude. It's asinine.
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 9:51 am to Moustache
The truth is that both deserve to be in the hall regardless of who played where. Both have spectacular numbers and both played the game the right way.
Everyone in this thread accusing Biggio of roids can GTFO with that shite. To say he is clouded with the roids in the Astros and that Jeter isn't with the Yankees is laughable when the YAnkees have a very strong roid influence as well. FWIW I don't think Jeter has any ties to steroids either.
Both guys are all class and deserve to be in the hall bottom line
Everyone in this thread accusing Biggio of roids can GTFO with that shite. To say he is clouded with the roids in the Astros and that Jeter isn't with the Yankees is laughable when the YAnkees have a very strong roid influence as well. FWIW I don't think Jeter has any ties to steroids either.
Both guys are all class and deserve to be in the hall bottom line
Posted on 2/14/14 at 10:56 am to BayouBengals03
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rom 1998-2000? You know, the years of the three-peat? Jeter was .337/.413/.505 with WARs above 7 in two of those years.
I think it is very telling the Yankees stopped winning titles every year once Bernie Williams stopped being an effective player. He doesn't have the career length, but he really does not get enough credit for being the key cog of the Yankees Dynasty.
This isn't to take away from Jeter, who is a great player and a Hall of Famer. But no Bernie, no four rings in five years. Yankee history would look a lot more like the past decade: always good, but somehow just short. If we're going on the "in their prime" argument, serious question: do you take Bernie or Jeter? Full career, you clearly take Jeter, but just five-year prime?
I take Bernie.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:03 am to Baloo
Bernie was my favorite player.
Williams, Jeter, O'Neill, Martinez, etc. were all truly big parts, and all had so many clutch plays throughout those years. You could argue that if you take any of them away, the Yankees might have one less title from that era.
I'd take Bernie in a 5-year stretch.
One of my favorite stories from those years is the Jeter/Williams confrontation before Game 6 of the 2001 World Series. Those teams were just so tight and had a lot of great players.
Williams, Jeter, O'Neill, Martinez, etc. were all truly big parts, and all had so many clutch plays throughout those years. You could argue that if you take any of them away, the Yankees might have one less title from that era.
I'd take Bernie in a 5-year stretch.
One of my favorite stories from those years is the Jeter/Williams confrontation before Game 6 of the 2001 World Series. Those teams were just so tight and had a lot of great players.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:20 pm to Moustache
I posted this in another Jeter thread, comparing him to Paul Moliter instead of Biggio
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Just looking and Jeter's base line offensive numbers are really similar to Paul Molitor's
As of right now, Jeter has played in 2,602 games and Molitor played in 2,683 games
Here are their 162 game average stats:
And Molitor was pretty clutch himself in the postseason.
His splits in 11 career ALCS games: .357/.438/.690
His splits in 13 career World Series games: .418/.475/.636
In the 2 series clinching World Series games, (Game 7 of the 82 WS & game 6 of the 93 WS), Molitor went 2 for 4 with a run scored in 1982 and 3 of 5, with 3 runs scored, 2 RBI, & a HR in 1993.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:59 pm to Moustache
The jeter biggio case is very similar to the Lawrence Taylor Rickey Jackson case. Ultimately both made it in as will biggio
Posted on 2/14/14 at 1:02 pm to SPEEDY
Well, Paul Molitor was a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
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