re: What separates Derek Jeter from Craig Biggio? Is it only rings?

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The second statement implies that you think Jeter isn't better.

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The only difference in regards to hall of fame voting. (1st ballot vs. not 1st ballot)

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ti this day, i dont think posada made the tag

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If he did, it was awfully fricking close to the Giambi simultaneously stepping on the plate.

Giambi slides or even keeps running hard, this play is never talked about.

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Hell, is any pitcher putting up Greg Maddux or Pedro Martinez 1990s numbers today also?

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To be fair... pitchers aren't getting that 6" to 10" off-the-plate outside pitch called for strike three like Pedro, Glavine, and Martinez consistently got.

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Jeter has 300 more hits in 200+ less ABs Jeter has nearly 100 more RBIs, again in less ABs Jeter's OPS is 30 points higher You sort of tossed Jeter's BA advantage to the side when 30 points is huge

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He also spearheaded the Yankee resurgence, the Yankees hadn't won a WS in 17 years and he was a major force in turning the franchise around. He played the toughest position on the field in the toughest place to play baseball. I love how everybody says he benefited from being a Yankee, and that might be true, but how many have flamed out in NY due to the constant pressure? Jeter was a much better defender than he is given credit for especially with his hitting numbers. And discounting the flip play as overrated? Ok, it was a amazing how he seemed to make a play like that whenever the Yankees needed it the most but I guess he was just lucky his entire career.

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although that won't help Pettite or Posada get into the HOF.

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That's because neither of them deserve to be considered HOF worthy. The ONLY reason there is a debate on either of them is because of the NY factor. If they played their careers, with the same stats and accomplishments on the Rockies, Astros, Padres, Toronto, or Orioles -- there would be no discussion on if they are HOF. They were merely good players.

Yet, they are often considered. Why is that?

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lol 1999 and 2006 are the only years you could argue Jeter as the best player(not including pitchers) on the Yankees

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I always thought Jeter was an incredibly important piece to those great teams. He was the face of the franchise and as quoted by some of those players, the on field leader of that core of players. If you tell me that each year some player might have been better than him, sure, but year in year out he was a foundation type player that could be counted on as much as anybody on the roster. As a Yankee fan I always thought that he was the guy out front of those championship teams. It's just my opinion but if your only measure of a player was "is he the team's best player" you must be a huge ARod fan.

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I always thought Jeter was an incredibly important piece to those great teams. He was the face of the franchise and as quoted by some of those players, the on field leader of that core of players. If you tell me that each year some player might have been better than him, sure, but year in year out he was a foundation type player that could be counted on as much as anybody on the roster. As a Yankee fan I always thought that he was the guy out front of those championship teams. It's just my opinion but if your only measure of a player was "is he the team's best player" you must be a huge ARod fan.

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That is all very romantic but Paul O'Neil, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams and David Cone all had more to do with the resurgence of the Yankees than Jeter did

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Posada was one of the better offensive catchers of our generation and Pettite was the winningest pitcher of the 00's he will get same distinction as Morris except he used

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I find it interesting that a lot of people are willing to discount Biggio because he played on teams with Roid-ers.

Yet, very few people mention Jason Giambi, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Alex Rodriguez when they want to discuss how awesome another Yankee player was from that era.

Guilt by association only applies to non-Yankee teams, apparently.

Jeters career is not over