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re: University of Arizona defends overuse of pitching staff because his players nap
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:39 pm to barry
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:39 pm to barry
Agreed.
Obviously these coaches are paid to win games and getting as many innings as you can out of your ace for 3 years is tempting, but that temptation should be taken away when a guy has 15 years of earning potential in that arm.
Obviously these coaches are paid to win games and getting as many innings as you can out of your ace for 3 years is tempting, but that temptation should be taken away when a guy has 15 years of earning potential in that arm.
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:39 pm to barry
One time I took 4 twenty minute cat naps in a row... I nearly died of dehydration because I tricked my body into thinking I hadn't had water for 4 days.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:42 pm to barry
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Also there is just going to be a lot more skepticism when coaches over use guys who they will have no use for in 3 weeks.
And this will be an issue as long as a coach's compensation is tied to how much he wins and not how many guys he gets drafted, so forever.
I don't remember what school it was or if it was in a conference tourney or a regional, but everyone was railing on one coach for throwing a kid on short rest until the kid (a senior) finally came out and said he has no plans to pursue baseball beyond college so everyone needs to chill.
The biggest issue outside of the mismatched incentives is inability or even unwillingness of the pitchers to communicate what is actually going on with their arm.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:43 pm to barry
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nothing but upside for coaches to over use their players.
While I agree with the points in here about strict pitch counts and such, this isn't true. Other coaches negative recruit against the programs that over use their pitchers all the time.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Other coaches negative recruit against the programs that over use their pitchers all the time.
Read: TCU and A&M negatively recruit against Texas because drunk Auggie grinds arms to a stump.
Did I get the translation correct?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:46 pm to ProjectP2294
Wouldn't surprise me if it's been used against Texas also, but substitute Rice for Texas and I know it has for sure happened in the past
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:48 pm to ProjectP2294
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TCU
Not sure how they would use that tool with their history.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:50 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Wouldn't surprise me if it's been used against Texas also, but substitute Rice for Texas and I know it has for sure happened in the past
Good. Every coach of that ilk should be blasted.
Especially Wayne Graham and Auggie Garrido.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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While I agree with the points in here about strict pitch counts and such, this isn't true. Other coaches negative recruit against the programs that over use their pitchers all the time.
Correct, but there are still very successful programs who still end up with good pitchers.
I don't even really blamed the coaches or the players, they are doing what they are trained to do. The NCAA needs to step in and set reasonable guidelines.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:51 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Graham used to throw Anderson just for the hell of it to show off his 100 mph fastball.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:52 pm to barry
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reasonable guidelines
Why is it the NCAA job to determine if a kid can throw or not?
Not all arms are the same. There is no way to decide if it was use, angle or just bad genetics that cause a pitcher to have arm issues. Throwing/Pitching a baseball is a unnatural movement so should everyone throw underhanded?
Do we need to put QB on throw counts also? They throw a lot more than baseball players.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:56 pm to barry
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The NCAA needs to step in and set reasonable guidelines.
I disagree with setting guidelines.
But I do feel like increasing scholarships would help the issue. Although I feel like it would help almost every issue college baseball has in some way or another.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:56 pm to barry
Absolutely and I'm not saying it offsets the positives, just saying it was used pretty heavily against them with a couple kids I knew who were recruited so it's not all upside. I do think there should be a pitch limit. As some of these old fricks (Augie is gone, Graham is close) retire and more modern thinkers replace them the problem will solve itself a little bit also. But you will always have the POS coaches who don't care since a kid is a senior.
I think the limit should be one that's on the high end, like 130
I think the limit should be one that's on the high end, like 130
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:59 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
My biggest issue is poor pitch selection. You got some guys who throw slider after slider.
We had a guy in mid 90's throw 90% sliders in a conference tournament game. Our Catchers called the game, but he would shake everything off until and just throw the slider.
We had a guy in mid 90's throw 90% sliders in a conference tournament game. Our Catchers called the game, but he would shake everything off until and just throw the slider.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:01 pm to sms151t
Most coaches would pull a kid if he continuously shook off his catcher I imagine seems like an extreme case
seems like an extreme casePosted on 6/15/16 at 3:03 pm to sms151t
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Do we need to put QB on throw counts also? They throw a lot more than baseball players.
Really? So baseball players are requiring TJ surgery and QB's don't by coincidence.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:03 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
We were in the loser bracket finals and had no starting pitchers left.
Like I said, SMS/Missouri St, the Catchers call the games and the Pitching Coach just sits there and walks out and tells the Pitcher to slow down.
He calls the pen and tells them to watch the game in case they are needed.
Like I said, SMS/Missouri St, the Catchers call the games and the Pitching Coach just sits there and walks out and tells the Pitcher to slow down.
He calls the pen and tells them to watch the game in case they are needed.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:03 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I think the limit should be one that's on the high end, like 130
i like the LHSAA rule adjusted for college... 9 innings per week, one pitch constitutes an inning, every two innings means an additional day of rest
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:03 pm to volfan30
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Would love to see college baseball adapt a strict pitch count limit.
Where would you set the limit? Would 110 per 4 day period be reasonable? That would mirror what MLB pitchers do. Maybe add 20 to a pitcher's count if he pitches on back to back days? If a reliever throws 40 pitches on Friday and 30 on Saturday, his adjusted pitch count would be 90. Then he would effectively be done for the weekend, but could throw 20 on Monday.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 3:06 pm to sms151t
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There is no way to decide if it was use, angle or just bad genetics that cause a pitcher to have arm issues.
Not all injury is due to overuse but it is a proven fact that overuse leads to injury.
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Why is it the NCAA job to determine if a kid can throw or not?
Because the coaches don't have an incentive to act in the best interest of their players at all times. These are young impressionable kids who can be pressured by people in authority positions. You think any kid is gonna tell his coach he can't go? Thats not his job.
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