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University of Arizona defends overuse of pitching staff because his players nap
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:05 pm
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Arizona ace Nathan Bannister pitched June 3 against Sam Houston State, throwing 96 pitches in seven innings. He pitched again three days later, throwing 102 pitches in seven innings to clinch an NCAA regional. Bannister made his third postseason start in Saturday’s Super Regional-clinching win against Mississippi State, throwing 86 pitches.
Kevin Ginkel pitched three games in a row — two in relief — in the regional, throwing 24 pitches on Sunday, then 86 combined in two Monday games.
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Arizona’s pitchers were put on a stricter sleep schedule, for example, during the regional series. After Bannister pitched the June 3 game, he tweaked his schedule to include more naps. The naps “trick the body,” Lawn said. It’s a concept UA coach Jay Johnson adopted from Scott Sarver, the former coach at Point Loma Nazarene University.
“I think it’s good,” Johnson said. “We did some unique things during the regional in terms of their sleep and rest patterns in terms of them having naps, waking up, work out, eat, go back to bed, to give them almost a simulation of another day’s rest.
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:06 pm to barry
I'm too salty for this.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:08 pm to barry
I don't know if it's going to end up being bad for him long term or not. All I know is that I was at the game where Bannister threw on 3 days rest in the Regional and he was filthy. I was awfully impressed.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:09 pm to barry
This board seems really divided every time the issue of pitch counts come up. The global warming of baseball topics.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:14 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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This board seems really divided every time the issue of pitch counts come up. The global warming of baseball topics.
I have almost no problem with professionals, college pitchers on the other hand are different.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:16 pm to burdman
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I don't know if it's going to end up being bad for him long term or not. All I know is that I was at the game where Bannister threw on 3 days rest in the Regional and he was filthy. I was awfully impressed.
Arizona and Oklahoma St have some salty staffs.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:17 pm to barry
In the short term, it's probably ok.
Pitch counts / not enough rest are long-term issues.
Pitch counts / not enough rest are long-term issues.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:17 pm to barry
I don't think coach understands what short rest means.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:24 pm to barry
quote:Holy shite this dude is incredibly stupid if he actually believes this.
“I think it’s good,” Johnson said. “We did some unique things during the regional in terms of their sleep and rest patterns in terms of them having naps, waking up, work out, eat, go back to bed, to give them almost a simulation of another day’s rest
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:24 pm to barry
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:25 pm to OneMoreTime
Doesn't matter: going to Omaha
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:27 pm to barry
Guys can blow out their arms either way. There have been Japanese pitchers that throw everyday, they blow out. There have been guys who adhere to strict pitch counts and rest schedules, they blow out too.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:32 pm to BCMCubs
It is almost like the Icing argument.
Mississippi St did not believe in icing, yet no arm issues.
An arm has only certain amount of throws in it, no matter rest or not rest. The P should know what his arm, back and legs feel like and know when enough is enough.
Guttin threw Ziegler 110 plus as much as he could and he's had a good MLB career. He threw Rheinecker the same way and 2 years after debuting in Texas he had arm issues. Strasburgh had arm issues the year after being shut down. No real way to determine if it was work or lack of work in any case.
Mississippi St did not believe in icing, yet no arm issues.
An arm has only certain amount of throws in it, no matter rest or not rest. The P should know what his arm, back and legs feel like and know when enough is enough.
Guttin threw Ziegler 110 plus as much as he could and he's had a good MLB career. He threw Rheinecker the same way and 2 years after debuting in Texas he had arm issues. Strasburgh had arm issues the year after being shut down. No real way to determine if it was work or lack of work in any case.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:35 pm to BCMCubs
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There have been guys who adhere to strict pitch counts and rest schedules, they blow out too.
There is a definitive link between over-usuage and arm damage. Yes it can happen even if you don't take precaution, but its a fact that you have a higher chance with over-usage of the arm. Also there is just going to be a lot more skepticism when coaches over use guys who they will have no use for in 3 weeks.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:35 pm to barry
Would love to see college baseball adopt a strict pitch count limit.
It is an almost unwatchable product anyway outside of watching prospects/potential play, there's no need to risk injury to a potential pro to win an extra game in a regional.
At most schools the coaches seem to be fine, but unfortunately the coaches at schools like Arizona, Marshall, Texas, etc. have ruined it for everyone.
It is an almost unwatchable product anyway outside of watching prospects/potential play, there's no need to risk injury to a potential pro to win an extra game in a regional.
At most schools the coaches seem to be fine, but unfortunately the coaches at schools like Arizona, Marshall, Texas, etc. have ruined it for everyone.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:36 pm to sms151t
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Guttin threw Ziegler 110 plus as much as he could and he's had a good MLB career. He threw Rheinecker the same way and 2 years after debuting in Texas he had arm issues. Strasburgh had arm issues the year after being shut down. No real way to determine if it was work or lack of work in any case.
you can't make a case based on 3 data points.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:37 pm to volfan30
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Would love to see college baseball adapt a strict pitch count limit.
Same, because there is nothing but upside for coaches to over use their players.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:37 pm to barry
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barry
Should throw overs be counted in a pitch count?
I know some count them as part of throws.
How many days should you rest before you pen?
I know you are going to argue the pitch count by your last two post so no reason to try to engage in any type of debate.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:38 pm to barry
ULL still butt hurt.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 2:39 pm to barry
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This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 2:40 pm
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