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re: Time to pay college football players

Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by graychef
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Posted by bamafan425
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:49 pm to
Honest question. What would stop HS athletes getting paid?
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm to
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They should be able to enter the NFL(or NBA) draft out of HS.



The NCAA doesn't prevent this...the NFL does.

The NFL should be able to do whatever it and it's players association thinks is in its best interest...and they do.
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm to
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Allow boosters to put money into an allotment that pays for student athletes stipends instead.

This would have to be the same at every school, for every athlete. Otherwise it will be "our stipend is bigger than their stipend, come to our school"
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 3:52 pm
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm to
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Exactly, the players are getting paid. Free education is worth a lot to most people.
irrelevant when you see coaches making $5 mil per year
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:51 pm to
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This would have to be the same at every school, for every athlete.



Of course
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:52 pm to
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Forget a 100 dollar handshake, what stops an all out bidding war by boosters for star recruits?

I'll answer this in two parts:

Disclosure. If you say that athletes on scholarship must disclose all income, then any non-disclosed income becomes a violation. As long as payments aren't directed by the school, then I really don't care.

Secondly.... how is this different from now? The horror of the richest schools getting all off the best talent while the poor schools get shut out is the system we currently have. Your nightmare scenario exists. It's not so bad.
Posted by titmouse
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:52 pm to
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Did you read the article? He accounted for inflation. Even with inflation thrown into the equation, Bob Stoops is making 31 times as much money as Bud Wilkinson did in 1950.


And, adjusted for inflation, college tuition has probably went up nearly just as much if not more.
Posted by graychef
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:53 pm to
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Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:54 pm to
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Secondly.... how is this different from now? The horror of the richest schools getting all off the best talent while the poor schools get shut out is the system we currently have. Your nightmare scenario exists. It's not so bad.

not true. It could be much, much worse.
Posted by bamafan425
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:54 pm to
Then screw it. Let's do that. I know Bama can hang with the big dogs for payment.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:55 pm to
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Exactly and as such they cant pay the players without losing that status

non-profits don't have employees? That's the argument you're going with? People work for non-profits all the time. They get paid, too.

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taxes bro.

Yes, they will have to pay them on income. Hence a disclosure requirement. Yes, employees have to pay taxes. If that were a real objection, why doesn't McDonald's use slave labor?
Posted by Walking the Earth
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:55 pm to
Not until a cabal of Stanford alums developed a win at all costs mentality. Then it's on!
Posted by bamafan425
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:56 pm to
I meant if we did away with amateur status requirement for college.
Posted by More beer please
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:57 pm to
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non-profits don't have employees? That's the argument you're going with? People work for non-profits all the time. They get paid, too.


That is not the same, nor the argument being made. Keep playing dumb though
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:58 pm to
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Some of these smaller schools' budgets are made by going to a larger school, taking an arse-whipping, and collecting a huge check. They don't have $2 million standing by to pay athletes. If they are forced to give up sports because of this,


big jump there. I already addressed this objection. Create a new division for big football schools. The other schools, now FCS, would still offer scholarships but no stipend. So, they would not be forced to give up sports. they just wouldn't be part of FBS.

Just as D-1 has scholarship sports and D-3 doesn't. The existence of athletic scholarships has no impact on the existence of sports on a D-3 level, without scholarships.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:59 pm to
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The NCAA doesn't prevent this...the NFL does.

The NFL should be able to do whatever it and it's players association thinks is in its best interest...and they do.


Yes and its the NFL's shitty rule that is the problem
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:01 pm to
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Yes and its the NFL's shitty rule that is the problem



Who is it a problem for? It's not a problem for the NFL.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:01 pm to
Yes, it is the argument being made. Athletes are employees. They get paid. That has literally no bearing on a program's non-profit status. They could pay players and still be non-profits. Just as a school can pay student workers in other capacities and maintain non-profit status.
Posted by bamafan425
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:04 pm to
Would that not cripple the schools left out of the big division?
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