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re: Time to pay college football players
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:26 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:26 pm to moneyg
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Of course, you'd have to figure out why these institutions would decide to go this route. What would they get out of it that they don't have now?
I don't have to figure out anything. It's just a suggestion. Intelligent people know how to circumvent the system and legally pay these athletes. Otherwise they wouldn't be seriously talking about it.
But it seems to me that big changes are on the horizon as the president of the NCAA likes to remind us every single week.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:26 pm to buffbraz
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you can't just pay the football team, you have to pay every student athlete on campus.
This part of the argument I don't get. Most CFB programs easily have enough money to give 85 scholarship players a few grand in spending money.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:29 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't have to figure out anything. It's just a suggestion. Intelligent people know how to circumvent the system and legally pay these athletes. Otherwise they wouldn't be seriously talking about it.
Who outside of journalist and former players?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:30 pm to LordSaintly
The problem is the NFL's draft rule there is no good reason why a player should have to wait 3 to get drafted
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:33 pm to RTR America
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This part of the argument I don't get. Most CFB programs easily have enough money to give 85 scholarship players a few grand in spending money
Who's going to pay for the players when the school can't afford to pay them and they are operating in the red?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
College athletes should never get paid until they get to pros. They get 4 years of college free and don't have to worry about paying the debt from student loans for years after college. These kids playing college football have no idea how good they actually have it.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:34 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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The problem is the NFL's draft rule there is no good reason why a player should have to wait 3 to get drafted
What do you think would happen to our beloved college football if they had to only wait one year like basketball? Or even worse no year wait? On that note why did college basketball go from zero year to one year removed from high school to enter the draft? What good is that one year doing?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:35 pm to RTR America
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This post was edited on 12/24/21 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:35 pm to RTR America
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This part of the argument I don't get. Most CFB programs easily have enough money to give 85 scholarship players a few grand in spending money.
Wont dont you get? They would have to pay every athlete the same. Yeah they have afford it for 85 football players and extra spending money. Now add every other varsity sport/athlete to that list.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:38 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't have to figure out anything.
You expect these institutions to decide to do something without there being a reason to do it?
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Intelligent people know how to circumvent the system and legally pay these athletes. Otherwise they wouldn't be seriously talking about it.
huh? The universities could decide to do whatever they want...but they aren't going to do it for the hell of it...or because someone like yourself has his panties in a wad because you feel like players are being treated unfairly.
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But it seems to me that big changes are on the horizon as the president of the NCAA likes to remind us every single week.
It could happen. But, you haven't made a convincing case at all as to why it needs to happen, why the parties would do it, or how it would be done.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:40 pm to More beer please
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Wont dont you get? They would have to pay every athlete the same. Yeah they have afford it for 85 football players and extra spending money. Now add every other varsity sport/athlete to that list.
Why do you have to pay other athletes. CFB is basically the only athletic department not operating in the red.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:41 pm to RollTide1987
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Intelligent people know how to circumvent the system and legally pay these athletes.
About the only system that would work is if the ncaa had to dump a portion of it's profits into a salary bucket and then paid EVERY single athlete (boy, girl, manbearpig) the SAME salary (essentially a stipend). A system where ncaaf players are given a salary based on their worth will never, ever, ever, ever exist. It steps on too many toes.
I guess I just don't see what giving every athlete $5k accomplishes in the system I described.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:41 pm to More beer please
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Only a handful of Universities in the entire country have privately funded athletic PROGRAMS. The state, supporters of ALL of the other sports, and the administrators themselves would never go for this. Not to mention the legal issues with making all of that happen since those same athletic programs cant pay players directly because of the amateur status that needs to be upheld. It goes way beyond these easy answers everyone gives because it is mainly about taxes and title IX.
This paragraph is, frankly, ridiculous. First, college programs are non-profits. They CAN'T show a profit. They are given every incentive to spend money and not show a profit. The idea that they couldn't possibly have the money to pay a stipend is absurd.
Your second objection is illusory. Get rid of amateurism. Boom. Done. Next issue. There's no requirement of amateurism in college sports. Saying you have an issue maintaining amateur status because the people paying them would require you being an amateur makes no sense. This status doesn't need to be upheld for any reason, save NCAA rules. Get rid of the rule. Problem solved.
OK, administrators would hate to give up their big salaries. I agree. But screw them. You got to profit for decades off of unpaid labor, now you don't.
The Title IX objection is at least substantive, but it's not nearly as difficult as people make it out to be. Include a stipend as a part of every scholarship, regardless of sport. How many scholarships are there per school? 300? Maybe 400? Let's go with that, even though I'm sure that's too high. Include a $5000 stipend as part of a full scholarship. Multiple by 400. That's $2 million.
If you can't find $2 million per year in your budget, you have no business playing 1-A football. Create a new division for football schools, allow them to offer stipends, cap it at about $10,000 (which would now cost $4 million per school), and you're almost done. Players get a stipend and there's no Title IX implication.
Then, you remove the restriction on players to earn money outside of the school. If a star player wants to sell a billion autographs, go for it. Endorse a shoe (if you're a national star)? Go right ahead. Then smaller players could do an ad for the local Ford dealership.
And if some sad, pathetic old booster wants to feel like he's part of the team and give you a $100 handshake? Cool. Who cares? So long as its not directed by the school, and disclosed to the NCAA, we're all good.
You don't want players to profit? Fine. That's a meaningful objection. But pretending there's no possible way we could logically pay players is just a lie. We most certainly can. It's pretty easy, honestly.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:42 pm to RTR America
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Why do you have to pay other athletes.
It's probably unethical to pay CFB athletes and not others. The track athletes work just as hard as the football team.
Title IX is also an issue.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:42 pm to RTR America
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Why do you have to pay other athletes. CFB is basically the only athletic department not operating in the red.
title ix... good luck winning that battle.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:43 pm to buffbraz
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What do you think would happen to our beloved college football if they had to only wait one year like basketball? Or even worse no year wait? On that note why did college basketball go from zero year to one year removed from high school to enter the draft? What good is that one year doing?
They should be able to enter the NFL(or NBA) draft out of HS.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:46 pm to Baloo
Forget a 100 dollar handshake, what stops an all out bidding war by boosters for star recruits?
If that's allowed, then it'll work, but be prepared for a few teams to dominate CFB more so than now.
If that's allowed, then it'll work, but be prepared for a few teams to dominate CFB more so than now.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:47 pm to Baloo
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Then, you remove the restriction on players to earn money outside of the school. If a star player wants to sell a billion autographs, go for it. Endorse a shoe (if you're a national star)? Go right ahead. Then smaller players could do an ad for the local Ford dealership.
And if some sad, pathetic old booster wants to feel like he's part of the team and give you a $100 handshake? Cool. Who cares? So long as its not directed by the school, and disclosed to the NCAA, we're all good.
I was with you until this. What is to stop Alabama boosters from offering the most money to athletes? This would essentially make programs like Alabama the yankees. If you are okay with having 2-3 programs run a monopoly on college football then let's head down that path.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:47 pm to Baloo
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First, college programs are non-profits. They CAN'T show a profit
Exactly and as such they cant pay the players without losing that status
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Your second objection is illusory. Get rid of amateurism. Boom. Done. Next issue. There's no requirement of amateurism in college sports.
taxes bro.
You are ignoring the most important factors. Let alone that the 2 million joke of a number you threw out.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:49 pm to bamafan425
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Forget a 100 dollar handshake, what stops an all out bidding war by boosters for star recruits?
Exactly why the olympic model is a terrible idea. Allow boosters to put money into an allotment that pays for student athletes stipends instead.
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