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re: This was the 5th year senior class you guys beat in Tampa (link)...

Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:52 am to
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:52 am to
Lol he is getting what he wants from this thread , attention
Posted by coldhotwings
Mississippi
Member since Jan 2008
6497 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 6:53 am to
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Call me a purist, but college athletes should have to stay in college and earn a degree.


If Iowa would've faced an LSU team full of players who have stayed on a minimum of 4 years, the game would've been over by the end of the 1st quarter. With a 4th year requirement for NFL eligibility, the competitive gap between top tier teams and teams like Iowa would be much larger. Getting to an Outback caliber bowl would be your national championship.
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Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:55 am to
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If Iowa would've faced an LSU team full of players who have stayed on a minimum of 4 years, the game would've been over by the end of the 1st quarter. With a 4th year requirement for NFL eligibility, the competitive gap between top tier teams and teams like Iowa would be much larger. Getting to an Outback caliber bowl would be your national championship.


Actually what it would do is spread the talent around more because a lot of the players you get now that get immediate playing time and a ticket to the NFL after two years wouldn't get that opportunity because there would be seniors ahead of them that were just as talented and more experienced.

It would level the playing field more by spreading the talent out to other programs. Guys don't want to sit on the bench waiting to play. They would go where the opportunity is. All of that talent LSU had that left early for the NFL would prevent the new young talent from seeing the field. Players go to LSU because they know they'll have a spot on the depth chart because every player that would have been above them has already left.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43077 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 7:58 am to
Think if we had 4th year seniors, much less 5th year seniors.
Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
18748 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:06 am to
Still not sure what you're saying. You were never in the game. If you played us in a season opener we would skull drag you by 30. Unless something changes your only chance of beating LSU is a Hail Mary in a bowl our players don't care if they win.

Haves and have nots. Sorry it's just the way it is.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71341 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:08 am to
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BrewHawk



Try different boards, of course you're going to get a ohmahgawddddd Iowa sucks from the Tiger Rant.
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:10 am to
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Try different boards, of course you're going to get a ohmahgawddddd Iowa sucks from the Tiger Rant.


What's a better board here? Don't tell me the OT board because I can only imagine how much worse it would be over there.
Posted by Silky Johnston
DFW
Member since May 2013
998 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:16 am to
More Sports Board is pretty reasonable most of the time.
Posted by Silky Johnston
DFW
Member since May 2013
998 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:18 am to
Does Iowa tend to sign full classes of 25 guys? If so, how do y'all go about staying under the 85 limit if you rely so heavily on 5th year seniors?
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:34 am to
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Does Iowa tend to sign full classes of 25 guys? If so, how do y'all go about staying under the 85 limit if you rely so heavily on 5th year seniors?


No, a typical class is about 20. That 2009 class had 19, but attrition claimed over half the class and we only had 8 players finish out their career from that class. Only four of those started for more than one season. I would say in a good year we have about 15 seniors, occasionally a few more.

So, 10-15 seniors, 20-25 juniors, sophs and freshman. The seniors that make it through are typically really good players. That 2009 (and the 2008) class were exceptionally bad.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 8:42 am to
How do you calculate this:
quote:

I think we're poised for a top ten finish in 2014/2015


From this:
quote:

Since that, our Rivals rank has been #42, #30, #43 and #53 over the past four years. We've generally been a BCS team with rankings above #50




What about the 41, 29, 42, and 52 other schools that had better recruiting classes than you in those years?
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:01 am to
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How do you calculate this:
quote:
I think we're poised for a top ten finish in 2014/2015


From this:
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Since that, our Rivals rank has been #42, #30, #43 and #53 over the past four years. We've generally been a BCS team with rankings above #50




What about the 41, 29, 42, and 52 other schools that had better recruiting classes than you in those years?


2006 #39
2007 #28
2008 #53
2009 #63

These four classes lead to a team that was 9-0 and #3 in the nation until our QB went down. We finished up #8 with an Orange Bowl win.

I can go back to three consecutive #8 rankings in 2002 (#51), '03 (#43) and '04 (#67) and point out similar if not worse recruiting classes in the years leading up to those finishes.

Again, we win with fewer stars. It makes our coaching staff look well worth the money, especially when you figure that Iowa is one of 12 athletic departments in the nation that are in the black financially.

It's all about holding on to players and allowing them to develop in the program. When we do, we win. When there's attrition, it makes it nearly impossible. We haven't had attrition from the last three classes. We will be better than we have been over the next 2-3 years because of it.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:04 am to
Fair enough. Should be an exciting year for you guys to see how the talent has developed over the last couple years.
Posted by Pirate Diver
Dutchtown
Member since Jan 2013
976 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:11 am to
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The brief window in time when LSU fans gave a shite about Iowa has closed.

THIS
Posted by Beats2Geaux
In the zone....
Member since Dec 2013
1494 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 9:13 am to
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The brief window in time when LSU fans gave a shite about Iowa has closed.


Damn
Posted by Teton Tiger
Somewhere between here and there.
Member since Mar 2005
2991 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 10:05 am to
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Actually what it would do is spread the talent around more because a lot of the players you get now that get immediate playing time and a ticket to the NFL after two years wouldn't get that opportunity because there would be seniors ahead of them that were just as talented and more experienced.
So we should not play the more talented person just the one with more time on the team?
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:19 pm to
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So we should not play the more talented person just the one with more time on the team?


I take it that you missed the "just as talented with more experienced" part of my comment you quoted.

Consider how many great players you would have if they stayed for 4-5 years and how many of your very good young players wouldn't see the field until they were juniors and seniors. Those players would probably go elsewhere where they could beat out less talented upperclassmen and get to play.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96006 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:20 pm to
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Think if we had 4th year seniors, much less 5th year seniors.



hell just Mett. With Mett its a 20 point beatdown minimum.
Posted by Buck_Nasty
Corndog Nation
Member since Feb 2013
1724 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:40 pm to
Holy crippling insecurity batman. Your team isn't an elite program like LSU or say Ohio state is. DWI
Posted by BrewHawk
Lucas, TX
Member since Nov 2004
319 posts
Posted on 1/21/14 at 12:51 pm to
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So a team that has the 15th most players in the NFL and is the 15th most valuable program in the nation..... finishes in the top 10 ONLY 25% of the time??

Thats not good.


You made me curious about this so I went and looked at the other schools ranked in the top ten at the end of the season (AP poll) over the last 15 years who were one of the 15 schools with the most players in the NFL. I chose 15 years because that is the length of time Ferentz has been at Iowa and the reason for my original post being quoted. This includes his first three years where we finished the season unranked.

As you can see, Iowa has actually overachieved being #9 in top ten finishes despite only having the 15th most players in the NFL and the 15th most valuable program.

1. Ohio St. 9/15 top ten finishes
2. Bama 8/15
2. USC 8/15
4. LSU 7/15
4. Oregon 7/15
6. Florida 6/15
6. Georgia 6/15
6. Texas 6/15
9. Iowa 4/15
9. Florida St. 4/15
9. Miami 4/15
9. Wisconsin 4/15
13. South Carolina 3/15
14. Tennessee 2/15
15. Cal 1/15
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