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Posted on 4/6/23 at 2:59 pm to auzach91
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Great for tv. Sucks for going to the games.
I went to several minor league games last year and the rules didn’t impact my enjoyment, it was nice getting out of there by 9:30 for a 7:05 start especially on a weeknight.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 3:25 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I was listening to Theo Epstein on the Ryen Russillo podcast and he said that with the evolution of pitching (everyone seemingly throwing 95+ with wicked sliders) and analytics dictating that singles and stolen bases aren’t nearly as valuable as swinging for the fences at all times the average time between a ball is in play was over 4 minutes.
That’s a long freaking time to have virtually no action happening except pitching. It’s boring and is a huge change from the way baseball was played as recently as 10-15 years ago.
The new rules are almost universally favored by players, managers, and fans alike.
You have shown no evidence to say that this is universally liked by anyone. I don't think anyone likes having strikes or balls called on them because of a clock violation.
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Young people love it because their Ritalin-addled brains can't grasp the strategies and nuances of a thinking game. If it doesn't move at the flash-bang speed of ESPN clips the mind wanders.
Yeah because there is so much strategy and nuance to power pitching for strikeouts and only swinging for the fences every pitch and never adjusting your approach based on balls and strikes or players on base.
This isn't even my quote, so I don't know why you threw this in there.
But your comment shows that you don't know much about baseball. And that's the point. If you don't like the game, you won't like the game. It's either for you, or it's not. Baseball isn't for everyone, just like chess isn't for everyone. You have such a narrow view of the game, that you think it's just about throwing hard and hitting home runs. Every single pitch is a chess game between the pitcher and hitter, as they try to out think the other. And the coaches are doing the same thing. Everyone is tracking each other's tendencies and trying to anticipate what or where the next pitch will be, or what pitch the hitter is sitting on. You don't just throw and hit. There is so much thought that goes into every pitch.
And how you match up hitters and pitchers, and how long to leave a pitcher in, as you try to win the game while keeping an eye on the next game, and trying to manage the loads of your pitchers. But you don't think about that when you come into the game looking for non stop action, and expecting everything to happen at your pace. You don't consider the game within the game. Because you're not a baseball fan, from the sound of it. You watch when you have nothing else to do, I would guess.
And as for the swinging for the fences? Tell that to the SABER club, who started this launch angle BS, and making everything about hitting fly balls. I've been complaining about that for over a decade. But that has nothing to do with the pace, it has to do with the quality. No matter how many times a ball is NOT put in play, it doesn't change the pace of the game. I've said for years, if you really want to bring a few fans in, don't try to speed up the natural pace of the game, just stop teaching the philosophy of all or nothing hitting, and there will be more excitement. But no one listens to people like me when it comes to that. They are convinced that hitting home runs is the best way to score runs.
Which, yeah, it helps to hit home runs... as long as it happens within the flow of the game, instead of forcing it, leading to a lot of pop outs and strike outs, and solo home runs.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 5:53 pm to Metaloctopus
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They are convinced that hitting home runs is the best way to score runs.
because they have 100,000+ data points that verify that it is.
it may not work the best every single time, but their job is, as Theo Epstein put it, to find a 1% edge that eeks out 1 or 2 extra wins over the course of a season.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:04 pm to FLTech
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These new MLB rules have Made Baseball Great Again!!!!!
The only new rule I vehemently disagree with is the shift rule. But the rest I’m fine with.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:26 pm to Chucktown_Badger
As the product gets worse the rules will keep changing to mask that. We’re In the first era of regression in sports.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:41 pm to Corinthians420
No he’s definitely better at running a baseball team than the thousands of folks in front offices that do it for a living
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:10 pm to Corinthians420
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because they have 100,000+ data points that verify that it is.
it may not work the best every single time, but their job is, as Theo Epstein put it, to find a 1% edge that eeks out 1 or 2 extra wins over the course of a season.
The only data point that matters is runs per game. Where is the data that shows decreased on base percentage, with a few more home runs, is leading to more runs?
When you say data points, it makes me think of climatologists. "Just take our word for it".
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:14 pm to PornShopClerk
They’re going to kill beer sales. The unfortunate reality of this change is you’re going to see big increases in tickets and concession prices next year to offset the massive concession losses this year.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:27 pm to Metaloctopus
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The only data point that matters is runs per game. Where is the data that shows decreased on base percentage, with a few more home runs, is leading to more runs?
When Marlon Byrd, JD Martinez, Justin Turner etc broke out by optimizing launch angle in 2014, offense was at a pretty historical low. Teams had started shifting to optimize defensive positioning and sinker ballers were in vogue to pitch to that change. Runs per game were 4.07. By 2019 they rose to 4.82 as more players figured out hitting over the shift was the path forward and tapping into dormant power. This was the highest since the end of the steroid year. Player development staffs and pitchers then responded in kind by emphasizing spin up in the zone and a more north south approach, which resulted in the subsequent downturn in offense over the last few years. I’m of the opinion hitters would naturally correct back and we would go through another cycle, as that’s been the history of baseball. MLB went ahead and banned the shift anyways (I’m not a fan of that rule change).
Data here
To suggest “the launch angle BS” didn’t increase offense is statistically false
Also funny to suggest it’s “SABER nerds” who started it when it was 3 or so journeyman veterans and an old time hitting coach in Southern California
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:27 pm to ChiGator
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They’re going to kill beer sales. The unfortunate reality of this change is you’re going to see big increases in tickets and concession prices next year to offset the massive concession losses this year.
I think you’re going to see a gradual increase in attendance year over year that will render this moot. will they do it? probably, because fan abuse is in vogue right now, but they’re going to have to come up with some creative excuses as to why they need to jack up the prices of everything when people are flooding into the parks
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:49 am to TexasTiger08
quote:Agreed. Great for TV, but actually going to a game is a big production for alot of people. It's going to suck driving hour, hour and a half to the stadium just for the game to be over in 2 1/2 hours and you get to do it all again.
Lastly, the clock…I don’t mind it for TV. I do NOT like it for games I attend,
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:14 am to The Dude Abides
Hardly go to any games anymore, normally just one or two a year and it's an all day thing IMO. And if I'm at home watching, in and out while catching an inning here and there, ok by me. You are not gonna get more people to watch just because it's an hour shorter. There are things that could be done to make it shorter like lessen the time between innings would be top priority. Instead of four commercials, lets cut it to two. I do like the hitter being timed. Back in the day before batting gloves, strapping and unstrapping the glove was non existent. And I really didn't see the pitchers using to much time to begin with. Glad I grew up when baseball, well all sports now, are nothing but huge commercial time with a little sports thrown in.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:44 am to ChiGator
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They’re going to kill beer sales. The unfortunate reality of this change is you’re going to see big increases in tickets and concession prices next year to offset the massive concession losses this year
Not in Atlanta due to The Battery. The restaurants and bars will make as much if not more bank then they already do.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 9:13 am to SteelerBravesDawg
My thoughts exactly. Also, I believe there are more parks today around the country that is similar to the battery or bars/restaurants around the stadium
Posted on 4/8/23 at 11:04 am to auzach91
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Great for tv. Sucks for going to the games.
Disagree. Maybe it's because I'm 43 but I'm ready to go after about 2 1/2 hours, especially if I get to the park 30-45 minutes before first pitch.
But I'm a guy that went to around 20 games last season. I can see feeling differently if it's a once-a-year huge family deal with kids in tow and you want to take it all in as a special occasion.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 11:20 am to FLTech
Rules were needed. It was the only sport where you get unlimited time-outs. That being said I do hope they can find a common ground during the post season and let moments breath.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:02 pm to BambiisDead
I was a proponent of banning the shift and neutral on throw-over limits/bigger bases.
I do not like the pitch clock. As others have stated, it has impacted the strategy decisions of both teams that go into at-bat.
A chess piece has been removed from the board.
I am in my 30s.
The downvote button is on the bottom-right of this post.
I do not like the pitch clock. As others have stated, it has impacted the strategy decisions of both teams that go into at-bat.
A chess piece has been removed from the board.
I am in my 30s.
The downvote button is on the bottom-right of this post.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:11 pm to FLTech
I'm a super very casual fan. But this does sound pretty cool.
My job would often gift us free tickets to the braves game. I very rarely went. I live 40 minutes from the stadium. Trying to go to midweek games, I wouldn't get home before 12:30-1. That's just not very fun when I have to work the next day.
My job would often gift us free tickets to the braves game. I very rarely went. I live 40 minutes from the stadium. Trying to go to midweek games, I wouldn't get home before 12:30-1. That's just not very fun when I have to work the next day.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:09 pm to Goldrush25
quote:should try getting there in the second inning…
Disagree. Maybe it's because I'm 43 but I'm ready to go after about 2 1/2 hours, especially if I get to the park 30-45 minutes before first pitch.
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