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re: The NFL seems to be in hot water in Deflategate
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:12 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:12 pm to Goldrush25
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Goldrush25
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Because the NFL has insisted on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady and the NFL Players Association agreeing to a laundry list of terms and concessions before discussing a reduction to his four-game suspension, the question of a reduced suspension has not yet become relevant.
If/when it ever does, Brady would be open to accepting a suspension for failing to cooperate with the NFL’s investigation of the football-deflation incident.
That’s the report from Adam Schefter of ESPN, and it’s accurate. It would be, as PFT understands it, a one-game suspension, with no admission of any responsibility for knowledge of or involvement in a scheme to deflate footballs.
Some will now insist that Brady’s willingness to consider a one-game suspension means that he’s guilty of something, if not guilty of everything. The truth is that accepting a one-game suspension brings closure to a situation that, without settlement, will linger — whether that happens through an appeal of Judge Berman’s decision in the case or through a decision to send the case back for a second appeal hearing. Parties with strong opposing views on points of law find a way to work out their differences all the time. The public nature of this dispute makes it more important for both sides to find a way to save face.
For Brady, taking a one-game suspension for not cooperating but not admitting responsibility for football deflation gives him a potentially acceptable middle ground. More importantly, it makes him seem reasonable before Judge Berman, at a time when the NFL’s “agree to all of these things and then we’ll talk about a reduced suspension” position seems a little unreasonable. In a case that can go either way when it’s time for a judge who is pushing for settlement to issue a ruling, it’s alway good to be the side perceived as being reasonable.
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Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:15 pm to Jcorye1
NFL should kick the Patriots out for a year for going outside the NFL to protest this.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:21 pm to TigerBait1127
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He's fully admitted to not turning his phone over to the NFL
But then Pats fans have argued that him not turning the phone over doesn't qualify as failing to cooperate, since they can't force him to do it. Am I misremembering or something?
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:21 pm to TN Bhoy
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Wednesday’s hearing on the Tom Brady suspension in Manhattan doesn’t appear to have gone very well for the NFL.
During the oral argument period for lawyers from both the NFL and NFLPA, Judge Richard Berman focused on the portion of the Wells Report that found Brady was “generally aware” of tampering with footballs by members of the Patriots’ equipment staff.
Tom Curran of CSN New England reports that Berman “nodded vigorously” when NFLPA lawyer Jeffrey Kessler said that “player policies say you can’t be punished for being ‘generally aware,'” and that the judge later said that “general awareness” does not “relate to the Jan. 18 [AFC Championship] game.”
Daniel Kaplan of SportsBusiness Journal adds that Berman called it a “quantum leap” to go from Brady being “generally aware” of ball deflation to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s reference to a “scheme” in his ruling on Brady’s suspension appeal.
Berman also took issue with the NFL not making general counsel Jeff Pash available to testify, saying that other cases have been “vacated” over similar issues, and with Goodell comparing the reasons for Brady’s suspension with those for the use of performance-enhancing drugs.
The questioning would seem to be working against the NFL if you’re forecasting how Berman would rule in the case, although he said that there were pros and cons on both sides while again pushing for a settlement.
“There are enough strengths and weaknesses on both sides,” Berman said, via Mike Garafolo of FOX Sports. “That would lead all the more to a settlement.
That seems like the logical and rational outcome. It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.”
NFL attorney Daniel Nash argued that the NFLPA was trying to re-argue the case with Berman as arbitrator, which may be true but may not work out well for the league if Berman continues to find holes in its initial rulings on Brady’s culpability.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:22 pm to TN Bhoy
I think it is odd all of the outrage from the media Brady is getting for ambiguously "being aware" of something that ultimately gave him no competitive advantage in the questioned game and has previously been reprimanded in the form of a stern letter while the front office of the Cardinals essentially hacked a competitors private server and no one gives a shite and there are no stories at all.
Where the hell is the media?
Where the hell is the media?
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:25 pm to Goldrush25
quote:we've done that thread twice, once being like 40 pages. I don't see the need to steer this thread down that route again, fwiw.
But then Pats fans have argued that him not turning the phone over doesn't qualify as failing to cooperate, since they can't force him to do it.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:51 pm to Goldrush25
The Brady team was following the judges orders and trying to negotiate, I dunno what else to tell you. The NFL has pissed this judge off multiple times already by not even attempting to mediate.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:53 pm to Jcorye1
No matter what happens, public consensus will be that the Patriots are cheaters.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:54 pm to bayoujd
I don't lose sleep over what other fan bases think ofthe team I root for.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:57 pm to Hetfield
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Would you turn your private phone over to the NFL & Roger Goodell? I wouldn't under any circumstance. These are the people that would potentially leak anything to the press that is on your phone so it would help their case no matter what it was. Anyone in their right mind knows not to trust Goodell & the NFL after what they have pulled over the last 5 years.
Not at all, but it still can be considered not cooperating.
That's one of the reason's Brady will still. It isn't fair
Posted on 8/19/15 at 1:58 pm to TN Bhoy
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NFL should kick the Patriots out for a year for going outside the NFL to protest this.
TIL the patriots are the nflpa
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:00 pm to Goldrush25
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But then Pats fans have argued that him not turning the phone over doesn't qualify as failing to cooperate, since they can't force him to do it. Am I misremembering or something?
That's a big reason it is in court now.
I don't see how turning your cell phone over is a reasonable request there, but that is the reason the NFL (sorry, the "independent" report edited by the NFL) said he didn't cooperate
Then again, it turns out the NFL was also "generally aware" of what they accused Brady of doing before the game and allowed it to happen for a gotcha moment. That's a bigger deal than the deflating of the footballs imo
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:03 pm to tigerpimpbot
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They sound eerily similar to whiny saints fans during bountygate.
Oh, you mean the case where the players took the league to Court and won? Where the former commissioner had to step in and slap the current one down? The one where all of the evidence the league supposedly had never materialized? The one where Rolling Stone, ProFootballTalk, the NYTimes, Dan Patrick, etc etc have all since come out and issued mea culpas and questioned the validity of it?
That one? I wonder why fans were upset.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:06 pm to bayoujd
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No matter what happens, public consensus will be that the Patriots are cheaters.
You mean everybody who would never buy Pats gear or season tickets anyway? Kraft is probably super concerned.
This post was edited on 8/19/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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Oh, you mean the case where the players took the league to Court and won? Where the former commissioner had to step in and slap the current one down? The one where all of the evidence the league supposedly had never materialized? The one where Rolling Stone, ProFootballTalk, the NYTimes, Dan Patrick, etc etc have all since come out and issued mea culpas and questioned the validity of it?
That one? I wonder why fans were upset.
The very same. I don't know why anyone would question why Pats fans are upset here either. Goodell is clearly over-reaching just like he did when he completely botched bountygate.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:12 pm to tigerpimpbot
I am sure he cares. No one wants to be labeled a cheater. It tarnishes their image and belittles their success no matter how much they try to cover their eyes and ears.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:17 pm to bayoujd
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I am sure he cares. No one wants to be labeled a cheater. It tarnishes their image and belittles their success no matter how much they try to cover their eyes and ears.
I'm sure that's why Brady won't take a deal where he admits to anything. But Kraft dropped his opposition, probably so he could go back to swimming in his pools of money.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:24 pm to tigerpimpbot
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But Kraft dropped his opposition, probably so he could go back to swimming in his pools of money.
Kraft dropped the opposition because he had faith and trust in Goodell to be fair and balanced when the appeal was taken before him. The way he accepted the punishment after talking to Goodell in that hotel, you'd almost think the two had come to an understanding.
Once Brady's 4-game suspension was reaffirmed, Kraft basically came out and said he would never trust the NFL or Robert Goodell again.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:25 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Had to be this, wouldn't make sense otherwise.
The way he accepted the punishment after talking to Goodell in that hotel, you'd almost think the two had come to an understanding.
Posted on 8/19/15 at 2:27 pm to shel311
That's how I saw it to, but I'm still disapointed.
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