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re: TDs allowed on NFL CBs over past 3 seasons.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:18 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:18 pm to Bench McElroy
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"When you have a few diamonds mixed in with a lot of cowshit, eventually it all looks like cowshit."
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Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:24 pm to TJGator1215
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1. Chris Harris 3
2. Richard Sherman 6
3. Darrelle Revis 6
4. Joe Haden 16
5. Patrick Peterson 21
But, but, but...
Posted on 7/12/15 at 1:24 pm to coolpapaboze
Browns defense has a lot of talent though
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:40 pm to TJGator1215
Eventually the MSB will learn that PP7 is not the best corner in the league.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 4:46 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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Eventually the MSB will learn that PP7 is not the best corner in the league.
some will never believe it. they'll find a way to convince themselves otherwise. some will say he's the best regardless of whatever stats or game tape you put in front of them.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:00 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Is this supposed to be a negative or positive for PP? This board had me convinced he was a below average corner. Top 5 for a man corner seems legit here right?
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:06 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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by StrongBackWeakMind
Eventually the MSB will learn that PP7 is not the best corner in the league.
In man coverage he is.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:10 pm to BallChamp00
Idk about best but he's right up there.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
Seattles safety play is so good that it allows Sherman to play more 1 on 1 than u think. He gets a lot of his picks in trail techniques. He'a overrated but not as much as you guys lead on.
He doesn't have the top end speed, but e makes up for that with his physicality, length and size
He doesn't have the top end speed, but e makes up for that with his physicality, length and size
Posted on 7/12/15 at 5:45 pm to lsupride87
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This board had me convinced he was a below average corner
you gotta be real careful what you believe on this website.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 9:10 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Nobody will ever be as impressive as Deion, dude played straight man coverage his entire career and gave up less than 2 TDs/yr. Hid worst season as a pro, his second year in Atlanta, saw him give up a whole 5 TDs. He had three years where he gave up 0 TDs.
I agree with this. However, I'd like to know what the league passing stats were over those years. Also, I'd be curious about how officiating today would effect Neon's numbers.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:03 pm to LSUSilverfox
I remember the 49ers putting up 50plus on Atlanta with Deion and Brian Jordan, both Pro Bowlers, in their defensive backfield.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 10:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
I didn't realize Peterson was considered a top 5 corner until this thread. I figured he was above average with sick return skills.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:00 pm to TJGator1215
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Pro Football Focus
I like some of their analysis. I mean I read it but definitely don't consider it to be the holy grail of information in judging an NFL player.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:03 pm to Roger Klarvin
I have no idea if you are right, but that was a hell of a convincing argument.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:37 pm to LooseCannon22282
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I like some of their analysis. I mean I read it but definitely don't consider it to be the holy grail of information in judging an NFL player.
That's the boat I'm in. I also feel like they expanded their personnel waaaaaay too fast and it showed last season.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:41 pm to Jcorye1
Do they have any system that puts weight on their stats? I know the eyeball test doesn't always work, and stats are obviously huge in many areas. But too often I read their stuff and just think..."nah, that's right?"
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:47 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Do they have any system that puts weight on their stats? I know the eyeball test doesn't always work, and stats are obviously huge in many areas. But too often I read their stuff and just think..."nah, that's right?"
I like their QB stats. They normalize the completion percentages to take into account WR drops and pressure throw aways. They also time how long it takes the QB to throw the ball, and that is one of the most underrated stats in all of football. Their reception yards per route run is also interesting, as it measures the efficiency of receivers.
When you get to the meat of what they do, grading, it's very subjective. Anyone can see a 4-3 base cover 2 defense and kind of understand what players are supposed to do. If a safety bites on an incompetent QB's first move and intercepts the ball, yes he made a great play, but it wasn't the right play because he would have been torched on the pump fake.
I've always wondered how they handle CBs that are put in no win situations. The Patriots do this quite a bit if teams are in zone. They will overload the zone with receivers and force the CB to take an option away only to let the other receiver float free. Does the corner get penalized for playing the deeper route and allowing a 4 yard completion instead of the first down 8 yard completion?
This post was edited on 7/12/15 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:52 pm to Jcorye1
I like the QB stuff too, and have often wondered why ESPN and the main players in the media don't do some of that stuff, like account for drops and broken play throw aways and stuff.
Some of the other stuff seems a bit "eyewash" to me though. Still like them though.
Some of the other stuff seems a bit "eyewash" to me though. Still like them though.
Posted on 7/12/15 at 11:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Some of the other stuff seems a bit "eyewash" to me though. Still like them though.
I liken it to movie critics, honestly. I find the guys that I like their work, and I make sure to check out the games they evaluate.
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