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Something lost in the fray- the awareness and ability of Tom Brady
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:05 am
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:05 am
Tonight we saw what a aggressive, dominant pass rush and line can do to a physically talented but still largely inexperienced quarterback. Cam showed a fair lack of awareness and "qb sense" tonight and truthfully that lost the game. The score differential was composed of his fumbles close to his own endzone, which were caused by a defender he never really was prepared for.
When Denver played Brady, they were ruthless and rushed him many many times. Yes, Brady threw 2 ints and, yes, Brady had gronk to throw to. And New England still lost. But reflecting back at that game, Brady was acutely aware of rushers the vast majority of the time. He was still able to throw for over 300 yards and manage the game the best he could. Some thought cam would handle Denver's pass rush better as a more mobile and physical qb, but he did not- Brady did, IMO. Goes to show how you think and react is still as important, if not more so, than how hard and fast you run at the level of the NFL. JMO.
When Denver played Brady, they were ruthless and rushed him many many times. Yes, Brady threw 2 ints and, yes, Brady had gronk to throw to. And New England still lost. But reflecting back at that game, Brady was acutely aware of rushers the vast majority of the time. He was still able to throw for over 300 yards and manage the game the best he could. Some thought cam would handle Denver's pass rush better as a more mobile and physical qb, but he did not- Brady did, IMO. Goes to show how you think and react is still as important, if not more so, than how hard and fast you run at the level of the NFL. JMO.
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:11 am to Tiguar
I dont think its really lost in the fray. A quarterback with 10 extra seasons of experience under his belt, along with being in the big game multiple times, is going to be more aware of his surroundings.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:15 am to Jones
Fair point, its obvious when you think about it. I guess it just really struck me when its on display so blatantly. Cam is pretty much the prototypical super-qb physically, but still underperformed compared to skill and experience. I doubt we will get to see a cam with years of experience under his belt. His body won't take it. It explains why qbs with skill sets like brees, Manning, and Brady are so highly sought after and effective. They can stay in the game long enough to truly master their craft. The physical hard-nosed qb may never dominate the landscape.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:22 am to Tiguar
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I doubt we will get to see a cam with years of experience under his belt. His body won't take it. It explains why qbs with skill sets like brees, Manning, and Brady are so highly sought after and effective. They can stay in the game long enough to truly master their craft. The physical hard-nosed qb may never dominate the landscape.
Well, we'll see. I think Cam being so big is why it's a big deal. He probably will be able to hold up. He's the first this big to be so physical and athletic. He'll keep maturing.
HOW YOU NOT GON GO FOR THAT FUMBLE THOUGH?!
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:24 am to Tiguar
People are ignorant about just how great Brady is, especially watching the offensive line and lack of run game. He's the best in the game and it's fair to say he's got at least 1 or maybe 2 more SB's in him.
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:26 am to Tiguar
I dont think Cam will have a problem staying in the league long enough to get the mental part down better. Big Ben is basically a less athletic Cam. He doesnt run nearly as much but he is huge and it takes a lot to bring him down so he does take a beating more than a guy like Brees, who goes down when he gets breathed on.
Barring injuries, Cam is here to stay for awhile. He might not dominate for years to come but his type of QB definitely has a place in the league. I mean he dominated this year. He just ran into one of the best defenses he will ever see tonight.
Barring injuries, Cam is here to stay for awhile. He might not dominate for years to come but his type of QB definitely has a place in the league. I mean he dominated this year. He just ran into one of the best defenses he will ever see tonight.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:28 am to Tiguar
Roethlisberger did a lot better job than Brady. He had two good outings against the Broncos and almost beat the in the playoffs without his best weapon.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:28 am to Jones
Time will tell. Cam is the type of qb he is because of his physicality. That will diminish with age. He will have to adjust in a compensatory manner and I'm not sure his throwing mechanics allot for that. Will be interesting to watch develop.
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 2:28 am to Rakim
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People are ignorant about just how great Brady is
Yeah he flies right under the radar and never gets his a-hole licked clean by the media.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:49 am to Tiguar
I've tried to start this post like ten different times but just can't find the words to express how terrible it is.
Cam Newton was 10x better than Brady. He had like 10 less total yards than Brady on 15 less passing attempts. His only interception was off a dropped pass that was perfectly placed that would have placed Carolina inside the 15 yard line. He had another drop that would have set them up at the 2 yard line. He had another "drop" that was wrongfully called that immediately led to the first sack fumble.
Of the 6 sacks there was one where you could blame Cam for not recognizing where the rush was coming from. The others were his tackles giving him no chance.
They had countless false starts, holds, personal fouls etc... that stopped and killed drives.
Denver's defense made both of them look average and Brady is one of the best QBs ever and Cam has a ways to go but for the purposes of this thread and the games you brought up Cam easily outplayed Brady and it's not even close.
Cam Newton was 10x better than Brady. He had like 10 less total yards than Brady on 15 less passing attempts. His only interception was off a dropped pass that was perfectly placed that would have placed Carolina inside the 15 yard line. He had another drop that would have set them up at the 2 yard line. He had another "drop" that was wrongfully called that immediately led to the first sack fumble.
Of the 6 sacks there was one where you could blame Cam for not recognizing where the rush was coming from. The others were his tackles giving him no chance.
They had countless false starts, holds, personal fouls etc... that stopped and killed drives.
Denver's defense made both of them look average and Brady is one of the best QBs ever and Cam has a ways to go but for the purposes of this thread and the games you brought up Cam easily outplayed Brady and it's not even close.
This post was edited on 2/8/16 at 6:52 am
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:27 am to RandySavage
I agree...people are allowing their hate for Cam to over state how bad he was...
He was pressured 21 times and he had several drops...he could've played better but it wasn't all his fault they lost...
Also, if you are comparing him to Brady the Pats have much better receivers who at least got open some...Cam didn't have much help.
He was pressured 21 times and he had several drops...he could've played better but it wasn't all his fault they lost...
Also, if you are comparing him to Brady the Pats have much better receivers who at least got open some...Cam didn't have much help.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 7:47 am to Tiguar
Brady sucked in that game too. Didn't it take him like 60 passes to get those 300 yards?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:04 am to floridatigah
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Brady sucked in that game too. Didn't it take him like 60 passes to get those 300 yards?
Nah that's just Brady being Brady. The 5 yard pass king.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:11 am to Tiguar
In watching that game, it occurred to me that the Patriots quick, short passing style is the only way to beat Denver. You can't try to establish the run and throw slow developing play action passes. I was just 
when Carolina was still running Stewart with a few minutes left.
when Carolina was still running Stewart with a few minutes left.Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:11 am to Tiguar
I thought Brady got bounced out of the playoffs already? Why are we talking about him?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:13 am to Tiguar
Cam also hadn't seen D-line close to Denver's all year. He had no frame of reference for what he was going to experience.
No way early 2000s brady survives against that defense either
No way early 2000s brady survives against that defense either
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:15 am to Tiguar
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still largely inexperienced quarterback.
Cam just finished his 5th year in the NFL. I'm not saying experience doesn't continue to accrue, but we're well past the steep curve on the Newton learning curve.
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Brady was acutely aware of rushers the vast majority of the time.
That's the double-edged sword of the Cam phenomenon. He normally attacks the defense, not the other way. Either he was hurt or they took a terrible gameplan into the game - he didn't attack the defense, he didn't change the game with his feet. The 1 14-yard scramble in the first half was about it for the Cam-type plays. He hit a couple of nice passes but, for the most part, he didn't look like the NFL MVP at all.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:22 am to Ace Midnight
Did they run the read option once the entire game?
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:24 am to Rakim
I dont think Brady had any more awareness at all. He threw a horrible pick that was almost a pick 6, another bad int, and was sacked multiple times and missed the wide open best player in football to tie the game. Brady and Cam were both worked over by Denvers defense
Posted on 2/8/16 at 8:25 am to hiltacular
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Did they run the read option once the entire game?
No more than 3 or 4 times. Once almost caused a fumble when he held the ball too long.
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