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re: So did the USGA basically say their Open Champ is a liar??
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:38 am to double d
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:38 am to double d
Could you imagine this in another sport? Like you have a goalline stand in the 2nd quarter but the officials say they aren't going to let anyone know until after the 4th quarter is over if the ball crossed the plane or not.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:40 am to double d
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DJ brought the rules official in at the time it happened. After discussing it the official ruled no penalty. That should have been the end of it.
Can you imagine if they refereed a football game that way?
"Hey Nick, you know that touchdown that Alabama scored in the 1st quarter? That was reviewed by the officials and not overturned? Well, we may or may not let it count. Haven't decided yet. We'll let you know after the game. Oh, and we'll tell the other team after a couple more possessions. Thanks".
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:45 am to STEVED00
The USGA couldn't have looked worse. Every single player thought it was a joke and let them know it. Glad it worked out for DJ, he deserved it.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:45 am to Pepe Lepew
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It used to be a gentlemen's game
Woman President for the USGA messing everything up.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:52 am to double d
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DJ brought the rules official in at the time it happened. After discussing it the official ruled no penalty. That should have been the end of it.
This is how it happens in Match Play... I don't understand why it has to be so different in Stroke Play bringing in a committee to decide after the fact if there was an infraction.
It should be decided ON THAT HOLE before teeing off on the next hole... just like Match Play.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 7:59 am to etm512
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Could you imagine this in another sport? Like you have a goalline stand in the 2nd quarter but the officials say they aren't going to let anyone know until after the 4th quarter is over if the ball crossed the plane or not.
Agreed. Plus it didn't just affect him but affected everyone in contention. Like I said earlier, the smug rules guy was on the Golf Channel later that night saying how they decided to do it for the integrity of the game. The pros on the set wanted to punch this twerp in the face!
Posted on 6/20/16 at 8:01 am to reggo75
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This is how it happens in Match Play... I don't understand why it has to be so different in Stroke Play bringing in a committee to decide after the fact if there was an infraction.
It should be decided ON THAT HOLE before teeing off on the next hole... just like Match Play.
I take some little twerp's power on the sport away??
Posted on 6/20/16 at 8:38 am to etm512
I think the USGA would have given him a 4 stoke penalty, if they thought they could get away with it.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 8:42 am to Oddibe
They should really be embarrassed for doing this.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 8:42 am to Oddibe
they're not calling him a liar ... he doesn't think his soling of the club next to the ball caused it to move, and they do (since there could be no other explanation in their mind) ... and they all but admitted they were going to penalize him in their on-air conversation with buck & co when he was out on the course ... they were going to penalize him regardless of the outcome, even if it meant he doesn't get into a playoff ... they have to make everyone acknowledge how important their precious integrity of the game is, and this is how they do it ... frick em ...
Posted on 6/20/16 at 8:56 am to tiderider
Although great strides have been made by updating the rules about penalties and eliminating the DQ's for signing incorrect score cards for post infraction penalties. The USGA "shite the bed" with this "we will let you know after the round" ruling.
It was not fair to DJ or any of the players in contention. Thankfully things worked out to avoid any controversy but the USGA received a huge black-eye from the way it was handled.
It was not fair to DJ or any of the players in contention. Thankfully things worked out to avoid any controversy but the USGA received a huge black-eye from the way it was handled.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:07 am to Oddibe
The rules guy kept saying there was instantaneous movement after DJs practice swing which was total BS. There was at least a 1or 2 sec delay after his last practice swing.
They just wanted to impose their authority. Kudos to DJ for handling it so well. I could see a # of players falling apart bc of the uncertainty.
They just wanted to impose their authority. Kudos to DJ for handling it so well. I could see a # of players falling apart bc of the uncertainty.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:20 am to STEVED00
To me, its not as much about the actual ruling as it is the way the ruling was handled. If they would have given DJ a stroke while it was ruled on the spot, we really would not have talked much about it.
But the way they handled it was just unreal. They got themselves in a mess that no ending was going to be good. If they eventually gave him a stroke, we got what happened. If they came back later and didnt give him a stroke, that opens up a new can of worms on the way they handled it.
A no win situation for the USGA created by the way they handled it.
Im glad DJ took control and pulled it out. If he would have come in up a stroke and then got penalized after the round, shite would have been terrible for everyone.
But the way they handled it was just unreal. They got themselves in a mess that no ending was going to be good. If they eventually gave him a stroke, we got what happened. If they came back later and didnt give him a stroke, that opens up a new can of worms on the way they handled it.
A no win situation for the USGA created by the way they handled it.
Im glad DJ took control and pulled it out. If he would have come in up a stroke and then got penalized after the round, shite would have been terrible for everyone.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:23 am to double d
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DJ brought the rules official in at the time it happened. After discussing it the official ruled no penalty. That should have been the end of it.
That official was chairmen of the rules committee as well.
Like the main fricking dude in charge.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:10 am to TheCaterpillar
In any other sport that has any sort of video replay, the standard that must be met is "indisputable evidence". However in this case the standard is "probable". I think that's the real issue here. If you're going to go against a player's word that he didn't cause the ball to move, then the video needs to clearly show that he caused it to move. You can't just say that he probably moved the ball because we can't think of anything else that might have caused it (like maybe the greens being faster than the hood of a Cadillac).
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:13 am to MountainTiger
To me, the biggest issue is telling him they "might" penalize him after the round and letting that frick with his mind (and the competitors) the second half of the round.
That is complete and utter bullshite. It would have been better just to tell him right there that he was getting a penalty.
One stroke can make a HUGE difference in strategy around the last few holes. The USGA is insanely lucky that DJ removed all doubt with a big lead. This could have been one of the biggest blunders in Major Championship history.
That is complete and utter bullshite. It would have been better just to tell him right there that he was getting a penalty.
One stroke can make a HUGE difference in strategy around the last few holes. The USGA is insanely lucky that DJ removed all doubt with a big lead. This could have been one of the biggest blunders in Major Championship history.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:15 am to STEVED00
Insert Tiger Woods for Dustin Johnson. What are the chances it plays out the same way? Zero chance they penalize Tiger.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:18 am to STEVED00
You have rules committee officials all over the course. You have tons of camera angles and videos.
If you empower an individual official to make a call, and he made it, that should be the end of it.
If an individual official is not empowered, then at the end of the hole, you stop the guys, you gather your committee together, you make your decision, and you move on.
I don't know enough about the particulars of golf to say he did or did not deserve a penalty, but this was an insane way of doing it.
If you empower an individual official to make a call, and he made it, that should be the end of it.
If an individual official is not empowered, then at the end of the hole, you stop the guys, you gather your committee together, you make your decision, and you move on.
I don't know enough about the particulars of golf to say he did or did not deserve a penalty, but this was an insane way of doing it.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:20 am to TheCaterpillar
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That is complete and utter bullshite. It would have been better just to tell him right there that he was getting a penalty.
It is bullshite. And they acted like they were doing him a favor telling him that. However, if you're in his situation, you have to mentally assess yourself that penalty stroke and try to move on and play accordingly from that point on. That's easier said than done, especially in the US Open. I've been a long-time USGA supporter and I'm a big believer in the "integrity of the game" but the USGA are looking like fools here.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:27 am to MountainTiger
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I've been a long-time USGA supporter and I'm a big believer in the "integrity of the game" but the USGA are looking like fools here.
The younger guy who was on TGC last night getting grilled by Brandel knew they fricked up but someone above him threw him to the wolves and made them spew the "USGA viewpoint". You could tell he was very uncomfortable.
I was also astonished that they pulled two officials off the course and back to the clubhouse to review this video. Holes 4/5/6 are a very long way from the clubhouse too. What prompted them to even review it in the first place??
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 10:28 am
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