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Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:47 pm to oleyeller
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how old are you
How old are you?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:53 pm to Louisianimal83
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I guess people want to conveniently forget post Bulls Pippen. I love Pip but he was a byproduct of Phil Jackson and the Triangle.
That's like forgetting KG post Boston(what this board is doing)
Posted on 4/8/15 at 6:54 pm to CocoLoco
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Did you watch Wade in his prime?
Hold on a sec Coco, if you envoke watching as an argument some will say that's a bullshite.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:01 pm to 4ngel
I didn't say he couldn't score, he asked what more could you ask for from a shooting guard. I responded with the ability to shoot, Wade shot less than 29% from 3 for his career, that's terrible.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:04 pm to SabiDojo
I think we are grossly underrating Scottie. His unselfishness and team first mantra has never been replicated by a player of his caliber. Like genro said, many considered him to be the second best player in the nba from 1992-1997.
Before lebron surfaced, he was best passing forward of all time.
He is also the best wing/perimeter defender of all time. And it's not even close in comparison to 2nd. He could truly guard 1-4, was long and strong as an ox, and as explosive of an athlete from the 3 position as we have ever seen.
His defense on the pacers in the second quarter of game 7 in the '98 ECF was an all time performance. The pacers were about to waltz away with road victory and he willed them back to a win defensively. To this day, I remember that game and I think I was maybe 6 or 7 at the time.
He had the ability to simultaneously double down/trap the post/deny wing entry passes and close out on shooters/cut off dribble penetration. Still haven't seen a player be able to do it to this day. kawkhi is the closest thing we have to a replica.
Before lebron surfaced, he was best passing forward of all time.
He is also the best wing/perimeter defender of all time. And it's not even close in comparison to 2nd. He could truly guard 1-4, was long and strong as an ox, and as explosive of an athlete from the 3 position as we have ever seen.
His defense on the pacers in the second quarter of game 7 in the '98 ECF was an all time performance. The pacers were about to waltz away with road victory and he willed them back to a win defensively. To this day, I remember that game and I think I was maybe 6 or 7 at the time.
He had the ability to simultaneously double down/trap the post/deny wing entry passes and close out on shooters/cut off dribble penetration. Still haven't seen a player be able to do it to this day. kawkhi is the closest thing we have to a replica.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:47 pm to Lester Earl
KG
Wade
Durant
Pip
IMHO
Wade
Durant
Pip
IMHO
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:49 pm to StrongSafety
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I think we are grossly underrating Scottie. His unselfishness and team first mantra has never been replicated by a player of his caliber. Like genro said, many considered him to be the second best player in the nba from 1992-1997.
Before lebron surfaced, he was best passing forward of all time.
He is also the best wing/perimeter defender of all time. And it's not even close in comparison to 2nd. He could truly guard 1-4, was long and strong as an ox, and as explosive of an athlete from the 3 position as we have ever seen.
His defense on the pacers in the second quarter of game 7 in the '98 ECF was an all time performance. The pacers were about to waltz away with road victory and he willed them back to a win defensively. To this day, I remember that game and I think I was maybe 6 or 7 at the time.
He had the ability to simultaneously double down/trap the post/deny wing entry passes and close out on shooters/cut off dribble penetration. Still haven't seen a player be able to do it to this day. kawkhi is the closest thing we have to a replica.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:55 pm to Epic Cajun
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The ability to shoot?
Wade had the highest FG% of any SG last year in like 25 years.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 7:56 pm to RonBurgundy
I see it as two players who were at least dominant at one point (Wade, Durant), an absolute productive workhorse at minimum (Garnett), and a nice, versatile piece who played great D (Pippen). Pips is clearly last IMO. 
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:03 pm to StrongSafety
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His defense on the pacers in the second quarter of game 7 in the '98 ECF was an all time performance. The pacers were about to waltz away with road victory and he willed them back to a win defensively. To this day, I remember that game and I think I was maybe 6 or 7 at the time.
Just watched again and Pippen sat out a bulk of the second quarter, which also happened to be during a large portion of the "comeback."
He rebounded well though.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:05 pm to RonBurgundy
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Pippen fanboy when I stated in the thread that Grant Hill is my favorite player of all time.
the fact you emphatically said Pippen was better than these 3 lead me to believe that you were a fan boy. And the fact you called him a top 15 player all time.
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.and to compare Career PERs from active players (like Wade) with some left in the tank verses 17 seasons of Pippen who was broken down by the end is scientifically invalid.
Do you want me to compare Wade's prime to Pippens?
In the other thread all you could do was take a small chunk out of his career and portray him as a top player of all time. You act like the first & last few years of his career dont count.
Wade's 8 year prime PER is 26.6.
Pippen's is 20 or 21, depending on what years you want to use.
How are DRB and 3's heavily weighed yet Wade has the highest PER of any of these guys. He cant shoot threes, and he is just an ok rebounder.
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but the question youre asking is swayed to players as prospects.
No, it's which player you want in their prime. No one but you wants Pippen. that speaks volumes to your point, or lack thereof.
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Pippen is probably the best athlete of the four and the best playmaker.
you cant count on 1 hand the 7 footers that can do what Durant does.
Wade was as explosive and powerful coast to coast as just about any 2 guard i can remember.
KG for a 6'11" guy, you're talking one of the top 5 most athletic big men of all time, when you combine athelticism and coordination
I can think of a lot of players like Pippen.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:28 pm to Lester Earl
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Do you want me to compare Wade's prime to Pippens?
actually the most authentic statistical comparison between would be win shares, but more so, when both players had primary ball-handlers ahead of them, i.e. LeBron's time in Miami,discounting the final year because of Wade's program.
WS
30.1 Wade
36.2 Pippen
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:32 pm to RonBurgundy
i love how any point you make about Pippen is selectively cherry picked
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
In their prime?
Wade
Garnett
Pippen
Durant
Wade
Garnett
Pippen
Durant
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:44 pm to Lester Earl
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the fact you emphatically said Pippen was better than these 3 lead me to believe that you were a fan boy. And the fact you called him a top 15 player all time.
Well, he is at this point, especially Wade and Garnett and as much I said in the 15-20 range you claimed top 50, then backtracked to top 40.
The fact that he had as many All NBA teams (including 5 first teams selections) as anyone from 91-98 speaks volumes.
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How are DRB and 3's heavily weighed yet Wade has the highest PER of any of these guys. He cant shoot threes, and he is just an ok rebounder.
His astornomical USG%[plays a large factor in his stats.
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No, it's which player you want in their prime. No one but you wants Pippen. that speaks volumes to your point, or lack thereof.
Thats under the assumption that all voters possess the same amount of observation and fundamental understanding, which is false.
quote:doesn't mean he can do the same things Pippen did
you cant count on 1 hand the 7 footers that can do what Durant does.
quote:except for Michael Jordan,Vince Carter, T-Mac and Kobe.
Wade was as explosive and powerful coast to coast as just about any 2 guard i can remember.
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KG for a 6'11" guy, you're talking one of the top 5 most athletic big men of all time, when you combine athelticism and coordination
he's a 7 footer, and that's awesome, but he's the offensive player Pippen was.
would 5 Pippens beat 5 Wades?KGs? smart money is they would.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:46 pm to StrongSafety
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I think we are grossly underrating Scottie
Its Pippen and its not really close IMO as an overall player........... The Bulls don't win 6 titles with any of the other three with MJ.......
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:47 pm to dukke v
Oh how quickly people forget just how awesome Durant is. Dude can score on anyone, and Pippen wouldn't come up with some magic formula to stop him. LeBron has trouble guarding Durant, and he's bigger, stronger and just as fast as Pippen.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:49 pm to Lester Earl
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i love how any point you make about Pippen is selectively cherry picked
That's the most scientifically authentic way to compare. You are completely ignoring the fact that playing with the greatest scoring guard of all time lessens Pippen's stats against guys who have been primary options for their teams for most of their careers.
If any of the guys played with MJ, they too would be second bananas.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:50 pm to Lester Earl
Its obvious according to the accepted basketball ranking system of players.
Rings:
Pippen
Wade
Garnett
Durant
Rings:
Pippen
Wade
Garnett
Durant
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