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re: PER and Kobe Bryant
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:16 pm to GeauxWarrior12
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:16 pm to GeauxWarrior12
quote:
LBJ led a team with Big Z, Eric Snow, Boobie Gibson, Palpovic, and Mo to an NBA finals.
Class dismissed
In one of the worst eastern conferences in NBA history...
You are acting like Ilgauskas and Mo Williams weren't all-star caliber players...oh and where was Varejao on your list? Without Lebron, past his prime, Varejao was a 14/14 player who played tenacious defense.
Kobe's team was WAYYY crappier than Lebron's that year....WAAAAYYY crappier...and they did pretty well in a much tougher conference.
Class dismissed.
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:26 pm to theunknownknight
Keep fighting the good fight bro
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:29 pm to Nonetheless
he really needs his own blog. maybe he can split one with gamecock
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:29 pm to theunknownknight
mo williams actually wasn't even on that team.
lebron's side kick was larry hughes
kobe's side kick was lamar odom
after that, it gets ugly on both sides.
lebron's side kick was larry hughes
kobe's side kick was lamar odom
after that, it gets ugly on both sides.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:33 pm to htran90
quote:
lebron's side kick was larry hughes
Are we talking about the same Larry Hughes that was a 22 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg and a ~22 PER player while leading the NBA in steals before joining the Cavs in his prime. That Larry Hughes?
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:38 pm to theunknownknight
the ONLY season where he had >2spg. 22/6/5 shooting 43%
you act like odom was a scrub. he was coming off a 15/9 year, shooting 48% and 5.5 apg
ETA: not my fault that kobe was taking 27 fricking shots a game
ETA2: 14 seasons in the NBA, the great larry hughes shot >=40% a grand total of...7 seasons.
you act like odom was a scrub. he was coming off a 15/9 year, shooting 48% and 5.5 apg
ETA: not my fault that kobe was taking 27 fricking shots a game
ETA2: 14 seasons in the NBA, the great larry hughes shot >=40% a grand total of...7 seasons.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:40 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Are we talking about the same Larry Hughes that was a 22 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg and a ~22 PER player while leading the NBA in steals before joining the Cavs in his prime. That Larry Hughes?
No, not that Larry Hughes. As you said, THAT larry hughes put up those stats the year before in Washington.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:41 pm to theunknownknight
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Are we talking about the same Larry Hughes that was a 22 ppg 6 rpg 5 apg and a ~22 PER player while leading the NBA in steals before joining the Cavs in his prime. That Larry Hughes?
Nice cherry picking!
Joined them, averaged 15.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 3.6 apg, 1.5 steals and a PER of 14 (i.e., BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE)
You're right, definitely superior to Lamar Odom.
ETA: And his PER declined to around 12 and 11 in the years after that.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:42 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Kobe's team was WAYYY crappier than Lebron's that year....WAAAAYYY crappier
wat
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:45 pm to htran90
quote:
the ONLY season where he had >2spg. 22/6/5 shooting 43%
you act like odom was a scrub. he was coming off a 15/9 year, shooting 48% and 5.5 apg
ETA: not my fault that kobe was taking 27 fricking shots a game
That Cav's team had two players outside of Lebron that had higher PERs than Odom and that's NOT even including Hughes.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:48 pm to theunknownknight
I have a feeling you're cherry picking again. Taking Odom's lowest season with their best season. I might be wrong, but you need to show evidence.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:49 pm to Nonetheless
quote:
No, not that Larry Hughes. As you said, THAT larry hughes put up those stats the year before in Washington.
Crazy how good player's have their stats plummet when they play with Lebron but players have career highs playing with Kobe.
It reminds me of Wade sucks derp derp. Bosh sucks derp derp.
Telling.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:51 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Crazy how good player's have their stats plummet when they play with Lebron but players have career highs playing with Kobe
Bait set.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:51 pm to stevo1905
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Tracy Mcgrady, who admittedly was a great player yet never considered to be on Kobe's level,
wut
it was a hot debate for at least 2-3 years
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:52 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:52 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
That Cav's team had two players outside of Lebron that had higher PERs than Odom and that's NOT even including Hughes.
now you use PER to defend players and how good they are? pick one side. constantly changing your mind, like a girl
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:54 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Because PER is a Monday Morning Quarterback stat. "Efficiency" doesn't determine greatness.
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That Cav's team had two players outside of Lebron that had higher PERs than Odom and that's NOT even including Hughes
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:55 pm to LL012697
thank you.
/endthread
/endthread
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:57 pm to dgtiger3
quote:
Simple answer is eFG%, its the most important factor in PER and Kobe is a high volume scorer but not a particularly efficient one.
People/NBA unfortunately don't take into account 3 point shot in affecting players fg%.
KG shoots 6 for 10 & scores 12 points on 60% shooting
Ray Allen 4 for 10 & scores. 12 points on 40% shooting
Is KG way more efficient than Allen this game? 60% >40% ,
They both scored 12 points on 10 fga's therefore Ray Allen's eFG% is the same as KG.
eFG% is far more accurate than the outdated traditional FG% which penalizes 3 point shooters.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:59 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
That Cav's team had two players outside of Lebron that had higher PERs than Odom and that's NOT even including Hughes.
06-07 Cavs (the year the Cavs lost in the finals to the Spurs)
Lebron - 24.5
Ilgaus - 18.0
Gooden - 16.5
Marshall - 15.3
07-08 Lakers (the year the Lakers lost in the finals to the Celtics)
Kobe - 24.2
Gasol - 24.0
Bynum - 22.6
Ariza - 17.0
Odom - 16.9
Karl - 15.8
Farmar - 15.4
Vurajic - 15.1
Turiaf - 15.0
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