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re: PER and Kobe Bryant
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:57 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Meh it has Magic at 15 way behind Chris Paul. I don't need PER to know that Magic >>> Paul.
Career PER is a questionable number to use when comparing retired players. Some guys hang around for too long and their career numbers suffer as a result. Jordan put his 30 PPG average in jeopardy when he came back to play for the Wizards. Retired in 1998 with a 31.5 average, but it fell to 30.1 after two seasons with the Wizards.
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:49 pm to shel311
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Demanding a trade = trying to take the easy route = no difference between actually taking the easy route.
You lost me here on this one. Demanding a trade to the leave the Lakers makes it harder to win. The Lakers were the "easiest" place to win a title.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 11:51 pm to PortCityTiger24
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It's easy to forget just how good the dude was. He's a top 5 perimeter player ever. Big men are in a class of their own IMO
Best part of this whole thread. I hate when we try to compare bigs to perimeter player.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:12 am to theunknownknight
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The equivalent to what Lebron did would be like Kobe forcing his way onto the Spurs to team up with Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker.
Would never have happened because no one wants to play with Kobe.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:44 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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You lost me here on this one. Demanding a trade to the leave the Lakers makes it harder to win. The Lakers were the "easiest" place to win a title.
do you not remember how shitty the lakers were at the time...?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 2:40 am to stevo1905
I love Kobe. I have watched him play all my life one of my favorite players. Bug let's face it, as good of a player he is. He was never very efficient. That will always be the biggest knock on him. Because of his inefficient shooting style, that is what prevents him from being a top 5 player. But regardless he is a top 15 player, arguably top 10.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:05 am to stevo1905
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I was just looking at Hollinger's top 50 PER seasons of all time, and was a bit surprised that Kobe didn't have a single season on the list. I understand he is in the top 20 in career PER, but never had a single season that was good enough to crack the top 50. Even Tracy Mcgrady, who admittedly was a great player yet never considered to be on Kobe's level, has a 30+ PER season, which has only been accomplished 17 times.
Many others on the list are some of the greatest players of all time so Kobe's absence is striking considering his stature historically. I know the stat has some formulaic flaws with defense, minutes played etc., but why do you think Kobe couldn't manage at least one all-time great PER season?
Because he isn't efficient. Did you really need to start a thread to get that answer? You weren't able to figure that one out on your own?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:08 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Best part of this whole thread. I hate when we try to compare bigs to perimeter player.
Actually, that's the beauty of basketball is that, unlike football and baseball, a position doesn't dictate the way you play. Positions in basketball are basically just road signs for fans. If they did away with them entirely, the game would change nary even a little.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 3:09 am to theunknownknight
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Lebron's Decision = Easy route
Kobe willing to let Shaq be traded if Shaq wouldn't grow up so Kobe could be the alpha and CARRY a team = greatness
You're the dumbest poster on this board, and by a comfortable comfortable margin.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:56 am to kidbourbon
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You're the dumbest poster on this board, and by a comfortable comfortable margin.
I see lots of substance there to refute the facts I posted.
Not really.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 7:02 am to htran90
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do you not remember how shitty the lakers were at the time...?
Going to the NBA Finals 4 outa 5 years winning 3 times. Terrible.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 7:03 am
Posted on 3/6/14 at 8:03 am to stevo1905
Kobe has never been efficient. If you take enough shots, you'll make some that are insanely difficult.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:13 am to Jcorye1
Comparing Kobe and LeBron isn't fair because Kobe will never stack up. LeBron is literally better at every single thing except for free throws. Better and more efficient scorer, much better passer, far more versatile defender, and overall a much smarter player. Kobe gets this rep for being "a killer" in late game situations and in the regular season he has. In reality Kobe hasn't made many game winners in the playoffs. LBJ has just as many playoff game winner or game tying shots.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:28 am to theunknownknight
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Going to the NBA Finals 4 outa 5 years winning 3 times. Terrible.
and shaq got ran out of town, lakers turned to kobe who led his squad to records of: (mind you with the 'goat' of coaches
'04-'05 34-48
'05-'06 45-37
'06-'07 42-40
'07-'08 57-25[pau came to town]
In may 2007, kobe responded to a question:
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Asked if he had any preference for a trade destination, he said "At this point I'll go play on Pluto."
so yes, those teams post-shaq were pretty shitty.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/6/14 at 9:53 am to htran90
Kobe should of manned up and played for the team that drafted him. 
Posted on 3/6/14 at 11:49 am to htran90
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and shaq got ran out of town, lakers turned to kobe who led his squad to records of: (mind you with the 'goat' of coaches
Aside from the fact your first sentence ignores all facts that have come out on why Shaq left (in his OWN words)...
1. That Laker team Kobe played on was TERRIBLE. 90% of the roster was younger than him at the time and cut from the NBA ENTIRELY post 2007. The fact you don't even know who was on that roster and how much they ACTUALLY played is telling. Kobe leading that group of scrubs to 47 wins in the west that year is greater than anything Lebron has ever done. That Laker team makes any team Lebron was EVER on look like a super team.
2. Kobe pressured the organization to make changes sure, but he was never going to leave. There were no viable options at the time he'd realistically follow through with. Further, the Lakers were first in the West BEFORE they landed Gasol in 2008, so Kobe picked up what they gave him and was already dominating.
Class dismissed.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:14 pm to theunknownknight
LBJ led a team with Big Z, Eric Snow, Boobie Gibson, Palpovic, and Mo to an NBA finals.
Class dismissed
Class dismissed
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:32 pm to GeauxWarrior12
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LBJ led a team with Big Z, Eric Snow, Boobie Gibson, Palpovic, and Mo to an NBA finals.
Class dismissed
For real.
Haha, I just looked it up, Larry Hughes was the highest paid player on that team too.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:05 pm to GeauxWarrior12
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LBJ led a team with Big Z, Eric Snow, Boobie Gibson, Palpovic, and Mo to an NBA finals
And let's not forget Big Z was basically in a fricking hoveround at that point
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:10 pm to theunknownknight
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2. Kobe pressured the organization to make changes sure, but he was never going to leave. There were no viable options at the time he'd realistically follow through with. Further, the Lakers were first in the West BEFORE they landed Gasol in 2008, so Kobe picked up what they gave him and was already dominating.
So you must be best friends with kobe to know he was never going to leave right? The guy wanted to gun if he couldn't win. Through his whole career he has ALWAYS been trying to become the best.
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LBJ led a team with Big Z, Eric Snow, Boobie Gibson, Palpovic, and Mo to an NBA finals.
Class dismissed
I was waiting to respond with this because I just KNEW he was going to say 'kobe played with scrubs'
ETA: And this is where he comes back 'and that team got stomped by the SA spurs. lool east so weak, etc.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 5:11 pm
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