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re: Patrick Peterson vs Richard Sherman: Julio Jones has his mind made up...

Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:03 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:03 pm to
I think it is interesting that Julio says there is no trash talking between them.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
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16324 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:05 pm to
Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with respect.

People know Sherman is arguably the best CB in the NFL. But he runs his mouth way too much and it rubs a lot of players the wrong way. And yea he backs it up most of the time, but I dont think that really matters because whats said is said. You go out there to beat them on the field, but Sherman takes it to another level and he tries to embarrass them by what he says and does. A lot of players know his awesome, but just flat out dont like him because of the shite he says / does. If he would stop with the antics and just play ball, he would get a lot more respect from his peers. Instead, he runs his mouth and does a lot of shenanigans and that makes his peers lose respect for him.

Peterson doesnt run his mouth or do the stuff Sherman does. He plays ball and thats it. He doesnt try to embarrass other players by saying stuff about them / taunting them. He just plays. And his peers respect him for that, along with the type of CB he is. Julio pretty much said that in the video. He said PP doesnt say anything or try anything against him, they just battle and get after it out there. And thats because of respect.

Sherman keeps on disrespecting players like he does, and it just makes the target on his / Seahawks back get bigger and bigger and bigger. Players and teams want to return the embarrassment back onto him and the Seahawks. And its going to happen. Keep knocking on the door and 1 day somebody is going to answer.

I mean look at the how the whole PP / Sherman feud began... Peterson said "I hope to be paid as much as Sherman. He set the bar for the rest of us CBs." Thats pretty much a compliment to Sherman. What does Sherman do in response to that? "Check my stats. If you wanna get paid like the best you gotta play like the best." Peterson compliments Sherman. Sherman disrespects him by pretty much saying you dont deserve to get top $$$. Thats bush league.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:24 pm to
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No its something about people who are fans of Louisiana State University.
FIFY

All you guys do is whine;
Whine about having to play Florida
Whine about recruits leaving the state
Whine about Saban
Whine about PP7
Whine about Bama players in the NFL

Why?
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
11355 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:47 pm to
Stop acting like your fan base is so much superior. Saban himself and everyone affiliated with Bama were whining their asses off in 2011. Hopefully you don't become yet another fatality at the hands of your Bama brethren that you seem to consider sane.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:48 pm to
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All you guys do is whine;



You're whining about people whining.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 6:49 pm
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30109 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:51 pm to
And all I've seen Bama fans do is measure their dicks to other fanbases.

I'm a fan of neither, but I've seen more Bama fans insert their dick into everything regarding LSU than LSU fans being butthurt/whining.
Posted by boom roasted
Member since Sep 2010
28039 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:52 pm to
After reading some of your other posts. You just dumb. Dumb and antagonizing. Terrible combination.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30109 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 6:55 pm to
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KG5989


What he said.

It all started when Seattle beat New England and Sherman said something like "we're better than you" or something to Brady when he in the middle of walking off the field after they beat them by 1pt.

That's the antics players around the league absolutely hate and if they get their shot, someone is bound to beat them senseless.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 6:56 pm
Posted by jacks40
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
11877 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:01 pm to
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That's the antics players around the league absolutely hate and if they get their shot, someone is bound to beat them senseless.


What? This isn't MLB. A lot NFL players are all about trash talking, being loud, and being confident.

It's the public that hates that stuff, which is why players tend to keep that it hidden away from cameras and live mics.

This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 7:07 pm
Posted by hugo_boss
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
990 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:08 pm to
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Here's my take on who's the better corner.I love both of them, but I think Peterson is the better corner. Peterson stays in one on one match ups with the opponents #1 receiver just about all game. Sherm pretty much stays on one side of the field in that cover 3. Peterson gave up 7 TD's to Sherman's 1, but when you only cover one side of the field it makes it a lot easier for you. Peterson also returned kicks/punts, even a bit of WR. Therefore IMO, Peterson is the best corner in the league. 


WTF does returning kicks and playing WR have to do with being a cornerback?

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Yeah totally, the All Pro WR who went to bama in the clip is definitely an LSU homer. 

Let me splain the main difference between the 2. Sherman is very, very instinctive and jumps a lot of routes. He gambles because he has Earl Thomas and another stud safety behind him. He loses sometimes, if you watch the Texans game from last year, but his gambling makes big plays. 

PP7 locks onto a receiver ala Revis 5 years ago. When he gets burned, it's usually because he slips on the WR's feet because he's all over them. There's not a more athletic corner and he has enough instincts to make big plays, but also gets the occasional pick just from running a better route than the receiver. 

If I'm looking for a cog in a defense that's already solid, I take Sherman, if I want a playmaker I take PP7.



I know finding objectivity on an LSU fan site is asking for too much but this shite is just sad. The guy gave up a Passer Rating Against in the 90's. How many times did he slip on the WR's and wouldn't part of his job as a corner be to not slip on the fricking WR feet?
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:09 pm to
you realize you are the one whining right?

let it go..

Posted by LSUTigers1986
Member since Mar 2014
1336 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:10 pm to
We'll see how good Sherman really is with officials putting an emphasis on illegal contact.
Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:23 pm to
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What? This isn't MLB. A lot NFL players are all about trash talking, being loud, and being confident.


Oh I agree with that. Everyone trash talks. And a lot of guys are extremely confident in their skills, as they should be. I have no problems with that at all. I love the trash talk actually And with most guys, thats all it is and its part of the game and thats perfectly fine with me.

But nobody really takes it to the level or extent that Sherman does. Its not just trash talking or celebrating or antics with him. He takes it to that next level. He does it more in a public shaming / humiliating way. He publicly embarrasses players / teams with his taunts and what he says to the media and all that. And thats not right IMO.

Thats what other players dont like. Its not just trash talk for him. He takes it to another level and publicly humiliates his peers. And you dont do that at this level. Being respected by your peers is the biggest compliment you can get. But the things Sherman has done / does causes his peers to lose respect for him.
Posted by hugo_boss
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2012
990 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:35 pm to
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Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with respect. 

People know Sherman is arguably the best CB in the NFL. But he runs his mouth way too much and it rubs a lot of players the wrong way. And yea he backs it up most of the time, but I dont think that really matters because whats said is said. You go out there to beat them on the field, but Sherman takes it to another level and he tries to embarrass them by what he says and does. A lot of players know his awesome, but just flat out dont like him because of the shite he says / does. If he would stop with the antics and just play ball, he would get a lot more respect from his peers. Instead, he runs his mouth and does a lot of shenanigans and that makes his peers lose respect for him. 

Peterson doesnt run his mouth or do the stuff Sherman does. He plays ball and thats it. He doesnt try to embarrass other players by saying stuff about them / taunting them. He just plays. And his peers respect him for that, along with the type of CB he is. Julio pretty much said that in the video. He said PP doesnt say anything or try anything against him, they just battle and get after it out there. And thats because of respect. 

Sherman keeps on disrespecting players like he does, and it just makes the target on his / Seahawks back get bigger and bigger and bigger. Players and teams want to return the embarrassment back onto him and the Seahawks. And its going to happen. Keep knocking on the door and 1 day somebody is going to answer. 

I mean look at the how the whole PP / Sherman feud began... Peterson said "I hope to be paid as much as Sherman. He set the bar for the rest of us CBs." Thats pretty much a compliment to Sherman. What does Sherman do in response to that? "Check my stats. If you wanna get paid like the best you gotta play like the best." Peterson compliments Sherman. Sherman disrespects him by pretty much saying you dont deserve to get top $$$. Thats bush league. 


I agree with this and I think those same antics have turned off fans. Sherman can follow the WR1 100% of the time and there would still be people who belittle what he does because his mouth and his demeaning nature is so nonstop. Simikar to JFF who is already a bust according to the court of public opinion.
Posted by Volmanac
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2009
7733 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 7:59 pm to
I loved reading your chart for Peterson. Who knew that he fared the worst against Kendall Wright? Wright scorched his candy arse!

Titan Up!
Posted by Billy Mays
Member since Jan 2009
25277 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:08 pm to
Kennan Lewis is a better cover guy. Brent Grimes was better than PP7 last year, Devin McCourty is a shutdown corner.

PP7's return skills might make him a more valuable player tho.
This post was edited on 8/3/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted by biglil3
West Monroe
Member since Jan 2010
2049 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 8:50 pm to
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Kennan Lewis is a better cover guy. Brent Grimes was better than PP7 last year, Devin McCourty is a shutdown corner.


you literally got dumber with each statement
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
11355 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:02 pm to
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Kennan Lewis is a better cover guy. Brent Grimes was better than PP7 last year, Devin McCourty is a shutdown corner.


Then why aren't they in the discussion for being the best?
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33742 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 9:18 pm to
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I'm inclined to think Arizona has a better pass rush


Arizona blitzed a lot when I got the chance to see them play last year.

Seattle hardly ever did. They would rush four and drop seven a lot.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that though. I guess it just depends on their scheme.

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but there is no denying that Seattle has the BEST SAFETIES in football next to Sherman who can easily bail him out.


I think it works both ways though. Just as the safeties on that D make Sherman's job easier at times... Sherman makes their job easier at times.

I think maybe the Cardinals D suffered a blow by losing Dansby to FA and Daryl Washington to suspension. Losing 2 play making LB's will put more of the onus on the secondary I think.

Posted by KG5989
Das Boot
Member since Oct 2010
16324 posts
Posted on 8/3/14 at 10:33 pm to
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Arizona blitzed a lot when I got the chance to see them play last year. Seattle hardly ever did. They would rush four and drop seven a lot. I don't think there is anything wrong with that though. I guess it just depends on their scheme.
This is also true. Arizona blitzed the most in the NFL last year. They blitzed 342 times this past season, or 49.21% of the time. Seattle blitzed 28th most in the NFL. They blitzed 155times, or 21.35% of the time. And Seattle was 1 of the best teams in the NFL when it came to pass rush productivity without blitzing. They ranked 3rd in the NFL in PRP without blitzing. Arizona ranked 13th. Those things have a direct correlation with the DBs. Arizona runs a man system and they blitzed the most in the NFL. That means majority of the time, the DBs were without help and pretty much on an island. Seattle runs a C3 scheme and didnt blitz that much at all. Which means that they were dropping more guys in coverage. Which means you have help around you in a zone scheme. And having help in the Seahawks system means you have help from 2 studs in Chancellor and Earl Thomas. They also were able to get after the QB without blitzing, 3rd in the NFL. Meaning they would drop a lot of guys in coverage, still get pressure on the QB and force him to make a bad pass, early throw, etc.

And its true that Sherman is not a shadow CB and rarely went against WR1. He was matched up 27% of the time on WR1, PP was 55%. PP was a shadow CB in 11 games this past season, Sherman had 0. There were 31 other CBs that played 800+ snaps that were matched up against WR1 more than Sherman. Sherman had 65 targets when going against WR1, Peterson had 129, almost twice as many. But, the Seahawks do not run a man to man, shadow system. Its a zone system. And he is excellent in that, by far the best in the NFL at that.

Both guys deserved to be paid top dollar, but for different reasons IMO. Sherman is 26years old and is a good athlete, but not a great / elite athlete in regards to NFL standards. He has an athletic ceiling. Hes at his peak right now. Peterson just made 24years old a few weeks ago and is 1 of the best athletes in the NFL and has the most potential out of all CBs in the NFL and basically has no athletic limitations . Period. I dont think anyone will argue that. Peterson is not at his peak right now, which is something a lot of people tend to forget.

Everyone likes to look at past stats to justify whether or not a guy deserves to be paid top $$$. And that can work for a guy that is in his upper 20s, early 30s. But it doesnt tell the entire story when you have a young guy like Peterson, who is loaded with athleticism and potential and is already 1 of the best CBs in the NFL. Hes been with the Cardinals for 3 years now and they know what type of player he is right now, his work ethic and drive, and what type of player he will be in the near future. They were comfortable enough to give him that big contract because they know that when he hits his peak, hes going to be the top CB in the game and playing at an extremely high level.

Sherman earned his contract for the player he has been and is right now. Peterson earned his contract for the player he is and for the player he will be in a season or 2 when he hits his peak. And the guy that everyone seems to forget is Joe Haden. I think he falls somewhere in between Sherman and Peterson. Hes a borderline great athlete and near his peak, closer than PP, but not there yet. I do think that when Peterson is in his prime and at the peak of his career, that it will be at a level higher than Sherman and Haden though.

Bottom line: Nobody can flat out say this player is better than that because both guys play in completely diff schemes that ask them to do diff things, and they are at different places in their careers with different levels of potential and a different future outlook. All 3 CBs are great. Period. As are Revis, Grimes, Keenan Lewis, etc.
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