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re: Northwestern football players win their petition to unionize
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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b. OBJ, Landry, Mett, etc are in a much better financial position now than they were prior to joining an NCAA member institution. they gained the opportunity to join an elite industry that pays a butt frick ton of money to its biggest performers
This is essentially the exact same argument that the New Yorker and Vanity Fair were using for their unpaid internships that give "fantastic exposure". The courts laughed at them.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:42 pm to Moustache
This causes more problems than it solves, end of discussion
I could go on and on about how this is a bad idea
I could go on and on about how this is a bad idea
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:42 pm to goldennugget
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I was a walk on receiver at TCU for 4 years and played only in mop up time. Never once played a meaningful snap
However I did get 3 concussions during my time there playing receiver on the scout team. Should I be entitled to the same pay and benefits and healthcare as the scholarship layers who contributed on game day?
You shouldn't be entitled to anything. YOu knew good and damn well what you were signing up for when you did. You CHOSE to walk on, nobody forced you to.
And those starters/contributers you mentioned, they are compensated to the tune of over $100,000+ in room and board/meals/tuition/books/tutoring/facilities/treatment/etc.
No college athletes have any room whatsoever to whine about not being compensated.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:42 pm to Keys Open Doors
Is there a salary cap in all of this or will the rich schools be able to offer more money? This could make the Texas' and LSU's and BAMA's a whole lot better since they could pay their "employees" more than smaller schools.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:43 pm to Keys Open Doors
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This is essentially the exact same argument that the New Yorker and Vanity Fair were using for their unpaid internships that give "fantastic exposure". The courts laughed at them.
look i hate judicial activism and a lot of these laws that allow them to partake. it's a really, really bad law
this decision (as well as the internship decision) is a great example of the absurd results from really bad laws
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:43 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Yet the players (calling them student-athletes is as much of a farce as the coaches' salaries) are getting none of the increased revenue.
Who gives a frick? It's called amateur sports. They get free tuition, room and board, books, meals, tutors, etc. to play a game.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:44 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:As long as my wisdom teeth were causing me discomfort, it was covered. I couuld not get them removed simply because i wanted to. But once i said they "hurt", voila
although I am surprised about the wisdom tooth surgery.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm to DesmondHume
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You shouldn't be entitled to anything. YOu knew good and damn well what you were signing up for when you did. You CHOSE to walk on, nobody forced you to.
I agree, which is why I believe that unionization is a terrible idea.
Under unionization if walk-ons didn't get paid as much as starters, the walk-ons would just create their own walk on union and say "Pay us the same as starters or find another way to prepare for your upcoming opponent!"
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm to moneyg
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I guess they'll owe income taxes on their compensation as well
No, they won't. This isn't an IRS case. Scholarship income is defined under the tax code as non-taxable income. Unionizing has literally nothing to do with how income is taxed.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wait, I'm not sure what you're saying. What is the bad law in the case of the internship decision?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:45 pm to Keys Open Doors
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The Status Quo is insane.
No it is not.
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There is only one reason why Les Miles is making $5 million a year. It's because Odell Beckham III, Jarvis Landry, Mettenberger, etc are essentially costing the university $50,000 or so a year in terms of travel costs, scholarships, etc.
Les Miles is making $5M because he runs a multi-million dollar organization that drives enough revenue and benefit to the university to justify that...thus, he is compensated accordingly.
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The coaches get all of the benefits in the current situation and really none of the costs.
What costs are you referring to. This doesn't make sense.
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College sports revenues are going through the roof. Position coaches are making (inflation-adjusted) salaries that are double what head coaches were making 25 years ago.
They are paid what they are worth.
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Yet the players (calling them student-athletes is as much of a farce as the coaches' salaries) are getting none of the increased revenue.
The players freely enter an agreement. Nobody coerces them, or forces them to even stay within that agreement for any length of time. They choose to do so because it is in their best interest.
You've got 100s of millions of dollars in infrastructure, marketing, history, etc. to create the market that delivers the money. 99% of that is a result of the university has brought to the table and those who follow the university. Very few come specifically to see Odell Beckham. They come to see LSU. Beckham's are replaced every year.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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What is the bad law in the case of the internship decision?
the laws and regs of the labor department that attempt to substitute a blanket rule in exchange for individual decision making
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:47 pm to moneyg
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Who gives a frick? It's called amateur sports. They get free tuition, room and board, books, meals, tutors, etc. to play a game.
This x1000
These kinds don't don't understand how good they've got it.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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look i hate judicial activism and a lot of these laws that allow them to partake. it's a really, really bad law
this decision (as well as the internship decision) is a great example of the absurd results from really bad laws
the law just states that employees can unionize. The definition of employee is left up to the court, actually, and a scholarship college athlete meets every prong of the test (primarily the one about the employer control of activity). This isn't a bad law unless you think unions should be outlawed.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:48 pm to moneyg
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You've got 100s of millions of dollars in infrastructure, marketing, history, etc. to create the market that delivers the money. 99% of that is a result of the university has brought to the table and those who follow the university. Very few come specifically to see Odell Beckham. They come to see LSU. Beckham's are replaced every year.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:50 pm to ever43
While this decision is interesting, it still has 5 - 10 years in court before anything is close to being fully decided
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:50 pm to Baloo
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. This isn't a bad law unless you think unions should be outlawed.
unions are fine
laws that force "employers" to collectively bargain should be outlawed
i have no problem if an employer wants to freely negotiate with a grouping of its employees, as long as the grouping desires to negotiate within that group. that's not my cup of tea, personally (as an employee), but liberty is liberty
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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laws that force "employers" to collectively bargain should be outlawed
That's what a union is. If you disagree with collective bargaining, you are arguing to outlaw unions. At least be honest in what you're saying.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:51 pm to moneyg
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There is only one reason why Les Miles is making $5 million a year. It's because Odell Beckham III, Jarvis Landry, Mettenberger, etc are essentially costing the university $50,000 or so a year in terms of travel costs, scholarships, etc.
Uhh..you know that basketball, baseball, and other sports players get full ride scholarships as well right? Their tuition/housing/meals cost just as much as Beckham and Landry's does. Miles is paid what he is because football is a ridiculously high profiting venture that brings a shite ton of revenue into the school.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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NLRB said it only applies to private universities. do privates fall under a different set of NCAA rules?
Chances are the NLBR rulings will be tossed out this summer by the Supreme Court. The court will likely rule that Obama's appointments were unconstitutional, and there aren't enough members for a quorum.
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