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re: Northwestern football players win their petition to unionize
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
I hope this Baloo/SFP pissing match goes a couple more pages.
Damn, it's entertaining and insightful at the same time. It's like debate porn.
Carry on gentlemen.
Damn, it's entertaining and insightful at the same time. It's like debate porn.
Carry on gentlemen.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 5:32 pm to Sentrius
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It's like debate porn.
Good one.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 6:06 pm to DesmondHume
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And those starters/contributers you mentioned, they are compensated to the tune of over $100,000+ in room and board/meals/tuition/books/tutoring/facilities/treatment/etc.
wayyy more than that, especially at TCU for example
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:59 pm to redfieldk717
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wayyy more than that, especially at TCU for example
Let them have it in cash then.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:33 pm to jacks40
Here's my solution:
Pay athletes minimum wage or 8 bucks an hour. Paying them only for the 20 hours per week (650 monthly) they put in. Roughly 365 total ( m/f ) student athletes per. D1 school. If my math is correct, that's about 3 million per year.
If the Division 1 school can't meet the requirements. They need to drop to a non revenue division.
I'm not in favor of paying athletes. However, if a regular full scholarship student can work part time at the student union, than an athlete can be paid for their 20 hours of prep time.
Pay athletes minimum wage or 8 bucks an hour. Paying them only for the 20 hours per week (650 monthly) they put in. Roughly 365 total ( m/f ) student athletes per. D1 school. If my math is correct, that's about 3 million per year.
If the Division 1 school can't meet the requirements. They need to drop to a non revenue division.
I'm not in favor of paying athletes. However, if a regular full scholarship student can work part time at the student union, than an athlete can be paid for their 20 hours of prep time.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:55 am to seinfeldtiger
Sounds reasonable considering all of the other benefits they are paying. You could even repurpose some of that money. For example just for the 85 football players for 1/3 of the year that would come out to $350k and the school is already giving away like $5M
Posted on 3/27/14 at 3:58 am to seinfeldtiger
How is it reasonable? They are paid their full cost of attendance and if they come from a disadvantaged background can still claim full pell in most cases.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 5:29 am to Libertyabides71
It's fine. Want to be a paid employee? Here's a bill for tuition, housing, and all that gear that you wear around campus. Players aren't compensated in dollars maybe, but if I'd have had the chance to play a sport and get a degree when it's all said and done with no debt, I would have jumped on it.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:29 am to Monday
pay them a salary equal to tuition and healthcare, then bill them for each
they will lose because they must pay taxes on total amount whereas their scholarships weren't taxable before
they will lose because they must pay taxes on total amount whereas their scholarships weren't taxable before
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:41 am to Ford Frenzy
Haven't read the whole thread, but as this pertains to private schools only, I would suppose this will just simply put an end to private school athletics. As someone said, the NCAA will just make the unionized players ineligible. Thus, public schools will get all the talent. Very interesting indeed.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:42 am to Ford Frenzy
It probably been discussed, but an expert on ESPN went into detail on the subject. The players are wanting to be recognized as employees with no salary, so they can get medical, and other benefits. They also want a trust for future medical expenses. They do not want their scholly to be recognized as salary, because it would be taxable. Seems a little unfair to the university, because someone said tuition at NW is 61k/year. That doesn't include what is spent on football training, etc.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:43 am to Kato
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Haven't read the whole thread, but as this pertains to private schools only, I would suppose this will just simply put an end to private school athletics. As someone said, the NCAA will just make the unionized players ineligible. Thus, public schools will get all the talent. Very interesting indeed.
This is when the conversation about Major CFB breaking away from the NCAA should get interesting.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 8:49 am to JBeam
FYI, this is only a private school issue, for now.
ETA:
Apparently, when schools make money (BCS money, etc) it's tax free. The schools are making a killing.
ETA:
Apparently, when schools make money (BCS money, etc) it's tax free. The schools are making a killing.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:01 am to AUCE05
Apparently there are only 17 private schools with FBS football, while there are more than 100 public schools. For some reason I thought there were more than 17.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 9:58 am to corndeaux
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The primary goal of this, from what I've read and understood, is more for protection (health, hrs. We can argue the sincerity of that just as we can argue the sincerity of the NCAA claims that changing the system will kill college sports). It seems like NU has no desire to address those concerns and needs a push to do so.
the baseball union wasn't formed over pay either. It was formed to negotiate pensions. You never go at it headways, you go sideways and legitimize collective bargaining on a more popular issue first. Then you go after pay.
This isn't about pay today, but that is certainly the end game. Don't believe them when they say it's about concussions. Well, it kind of is, but this is Step One in the player union playbook.
Posted on 3/27/14 at 10:10 am to AUCE05
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The players are wanting to be recognized as employees with no salary, so they can get medical, and other benefits. They also want a trust for future medical expenses. They do not want their scholly to be recognized as salary, because it would be taxable. Seems a little unfair to the university, because someone said tuition at NW is 61k/year. That doesn't include what is spent on football training, etc.
So basically, they want the good parts of being an employee, but not the bad parts. Who would have thought that would be their approach?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 12:50 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Yet the players (calling them student-athletes is as much of a farce as the coaches' salaries) are getting none of the increased revenue.
So Wal-Mart employees should be paid more money than everyone else?
I mean, you broke it down to profit. Wal-Mart makes astronomical profits, but those store workers don't see very much of it. Same principle right?
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:52 pm to i am dan
"Employees with no salary"? What a unique concept. So, when a player gets hurt on the job, how are his WC benefits calculated? In most states, an injured employee gets roughly 2/3 of his pay. But if you think that this will only stay with private schools, think again. Once a union gets a foot in the door, they press ahead full speed. A private school like Tulane will fold its athletic tent, as it is barely staying afloat now.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 2:20 pm to Baloo
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contemplate unionizing, and even Vandy is a longshot at best
It would be interesting since Vandy doesn't have an athletic department. Vandy teams are part of their intramural sports.
Posted on 3/28/14 at 3:30 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Once a union gets a foot in the door, they press ahead full speed. A private school like Tulane will fold its athletic tent, as it is barely staying afloat now.
If Tulane paid its players and LSU didn't, that would seem to give them an unfair advantage, as talented athletes are going to gravitate towards the money. Are public schools going to be allowed to compensate their own "non-union" employees/athletes?
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