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re: NHL Free Agency Thread
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:44 pm to NJ El Tigre
Posted on 7/2/14 at 3:44 pm to NJ El Tigre
It's not in your best interest to discuss anything with UH. Everything Pittsburgh does is amazing blah blah blah. Loves every player they have/pick up. Once they are off the team he might as well never cheered for them.
It'd be pretty interesting to go back to the NHL Season Long thread and see how many NISKANEN's!!! he dropped.
It'd be pretty interesting to go back to the NHL Season Long thread and see how many NISKANEN's!!! he dropped.
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Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:36 pm to Veritas
I just imagine him as the Penguins' Baghdad Bob.
Anyway, now that Grabovski and Kumelin have gone as a package deal to the Islanders, giving them a pretty great 2nd line, the Caps still have a glaring hole a 2C.
they only have $1.5 mil in cap space, but it's pretty easy to create the space by demoting Hillen and Beagle and then trading Erskine for a draft pick. That would give the Caps $4.5 million in cap space to solve the 2C issue.
Now, they could package Green off for a 2C (maybe call San Jose for Thornton), but I think they'll stand pat on defense. The idea of pairing Niskanen with Green as an offensive duo is just too tempting. Or they could trade MoJo or Brouwer for a 2C, but I simply don't know who is willing to tango.
Which leaves us with the dregs of free agency. You have three options: Legwand, Roy, or Ott. Legwand is old but has experience with Trotz. Roy is old and... meh. Ott is the tempting option because if you're trying to add a two-way center, he's pretty much the prototype. I think they'll make a play for Legwand, but I'd love to see them put Ott, who is more skilled than he's given credit for, between Brouwer and MoJo, pushing Kuznetsov up to the top line.
Anyway, now that Grabovski and Kumelin have gone as a package deal to the Islanders, giving them a pretty great 2nd line, the Caps still have a glaring hole a 2C.
they only have $1.5 mil in cap space, but it's pretty easy to create the space by demoting Hillen and Beagle and then trading Erskine for a draft pick. That would give the Caps $4.5 million in cap space to solve the 2C issue.
Now, they could package Green off for a 2C (maybe call San Jose for Thornton), but I think they'll stand pat on defense. The idea of pairing Niskanen with Green as an offensive duo is just too tempting. Or they could trade MoJo or Brouwer for a 2C, but I simply don't know who is willing to tango.
Which leaves us with the dregs of free agency. You have three options: Legwand, Roy, or Ott. Legwand is old but has experience with Trotz. Roy is old and... meh. Ott is the tempting option because if you're trying to add a two-way center, he's pretty much the prototype. I think they'll make a play for Legwand, but I'd love to see them put Ott, who is more skilled than he's given credit for, between Brouwer and MoJo, pushing Kuznetsov up to the top line.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:21 pm to Veritas
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Once they are off the team he might as well never cheered for them.
It'd be pretty interesting to go back to the NHL Season Long thread and see how many NISKANEN's!!! he dropped.
Just simply untrue, I love and continue to love a lot of our players including Orpik, not my fault he's past his prime and sucks arse now. Just stating the truth, he is pretty bad now and had a major knee injury to end the season in the playoffs to boot.
I said just a page or two back that Niskanen is a good player, but again, you overpaid and gave him a 7 year deal worth almost 6 per, that is insane for the player he is, good, not great. He was worth 5 million tops, I personally wouldn't go over 4.5 for him but that's me I know him a lot better than you do. There's not a writer/website out there that doesn't agree with that, him being overpaid for his talent level.
And most of the shite I say I just reiterate from twitter. I've liked all of our signings, sorry. NHL.com writer said we won the day yesterday, and I didn't even agree with that I thought the Stars probably won the day but maybe he was talking free agent signings only in which Spezza wouldn't count idk. Point is, I'm not the only one that says the same or similar and not just Pens fans either.
I was going to dislike it if we signed Kumelin to go with Malkin, for example. Was praying we didn't do that with all the rumors saying we wanted him.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:27 pm to UltimateHog
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Thomas Vanek to Minnesota.
Radio guys in MSP were fapping big time to this yesterday.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:27 am to The Easter Bunny
Relatively minor, but the Stars re-signed Fiddler for 2 years/$2M. Glad to have him back if it's that cheap and only two years.
Stars should be pretty much done at this point and only have $6.6M left in space to sign Eakin, Dillon and Roussell so moving Cole and/or Gonchar(please!) could be huge. Especially because this team all of the sudden could be looking to add someone late to make a serious run.
Peverly is kind of a wildcard in all of this depending on whether he can(hopefully) still play this next year.
Jim Nill is a boss.
Stars should be pretty much done at this point and only have $6.6M left in space to sign Eakin, Dillon and Roussell so moving Cole and/or Gonchar(please!) could be huge. Especially because this team all of the sudden could be looking to add someone late to make a serious run.
Peverly is kind of a wildcard in all of this depending on whether he can(hopefully) still play this next year.
Jim Nill is a boss.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:37 am to DFWAggie09
Nill is doing work. Just a terrific job completely transforming that roster in a little over a year. Even if he's stuck with Cole and Gonchar, they are on the last year of their deals, so it will free up cash going forward. Those aren't serious roadblocks to contention.
Besides, the Stars probably aren't aiming to win the Cup this year. This is about a team that can contend for 5-10 years. As much as they have improved, the Hawks, Blues, and Kings still exist and have far superior rosters. The West is f'n loaded. I think the Stars would be contenders to win the East, but they are stuck in the far more difficult conference.
Besides, the Stars probably aren't aiming to win the Cup this year. This is about a team that can contend for 5-10 years. As much as they have improved, the Hawks, Blues, and Kings still exist and have far superior rosters. The West is f'n loaded. I think the Stars would be contenders to win the East, but they are stuck in the far more difficult conference.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 4:47 pm to Baloo
ESPN's Scott Burnside breaks down some good and bad deals. LINK
Deals That May Actually Help Teams
Others are Brad Richards, Anton Stralman, Paul Stastny, Jarome Iginla, Ales Hemsky, Jussi Jokinen, and Chad Johnson.
Deals That Should Have Come With A Detonator
Others are Deryk Engelland, Dave Bolland, Brian Gionta, and Stephane Robidas.
Some Smaller Deals That Make You Go Hmmm
Zach Redmond, Martin Havlat, and Clayton Stoner.
Deals That May Actually Help Teams
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Christian Ehrhoff to Pittsburgh Penguins -- one year, $4 million
Everything about this seems right for the Penguins, a team in definite transition. The one-year term is like a trial engagement for both player and team, and the $4 million for a guy who made $18 million in the first two years of his bloated 10-year deal with Buffalo is likewise a win for a Penguins team that is still among the top teams in the Eastern Conference.
Others are Brad Richards, Anton Stralman, Paul Stastny, Jarome Iginla, Ales Hemsky, Jussi Jokinen, and Chad Johnson.
Deals That Should Have Come With A Detonator
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Brooks Orpik to Washington Capitals -- five years, $27.5 million
Let's start by saying Orpik remains one of our absolute favorite players. Brutally honest, hard as nails, he is the kind of guy any team, and we mean any team, would love to have in their locker room. But at age 33, the fact new Washington Capitals GM Brian MacLellan offered a five-year deal at the astronomical number of $5.5 per year is just plain cuckoo. Two years at that number? OK. Five years at half that number? Still too long given the toll Orpik's style of play has taken on his body, but maybe. Now, is it possible Orpik's presence along with new head coach Barry Trotz helps take the Caps' a giant step forward? Wouldn't be surprised at all. But that doesn't excuse the ridiculous excess of this deal. Does the strangeness of this deal balance out the good work in locking down the top defenseman on the market in another former Penguin Matt Niskanen, whom the Caps inked to a seven-year deal worth $40.25 million? Well, let's just say both are fraught with danger, but Niskanen was expected to command that kind of deal. Orpik? Not so much.
Others are Deryk Engelland, Dave Bolland, Brian Gionta, and Stephane Robidas.
Some Smaller Deals That Make You Go Hmmm
Zach Redmond, Martin Havlat, and Clayton Stoner.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 4:58 pm to UltimateHog
ESPN Free Agency Team Grades
This is ESPN Insider so I'll share for you guys. I'll post the excerpt for the teams I know we have a few fans of in here.
Sabres C-
Flames C
Blackhawks A
Avalanche B-
Oilers C+
Panthers C-
Wild A-
Canadiens B-
Devils C+
Rangers C
Lightning A
Leafs C
Canucks C
This is ESPN Insider so I'll share for you guys. I'll post the excerpt for the teams I know we have a few fans of in here.
Sabres C-
Flames C
Blackhawks A
Avalanche B-
Oilers C+
Panthers C-
Wild A-
Canadiens B-
Devils C+
Rangers C
Lightning A
Leafs C
Canucks C
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Dallas Stars: B
It was a great day for GM Jim Nill, although this grade is strictly for his free agent signings and not his trade for Spezza. Ales Hemsky is a better fit in the Eastern Conference, but he certainly gives centers Tyler Seguin and Spezza a talented option on the wing at a fairly reasonable price. Hemsky played well for the Senators down the stretch, with 17 points in 20 games after coming over from Edmonton.
The move to Dallas allows backup goalie Anders Lindback to start fresh and try to reach the potential he flashed as Pekka Rinne's backup in Nashville. Dallas starter Kari Lehtonen has benefited under the tutelage of goalie coach Mike Valley, and so should Lindback.
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Pittsburgh Penguins: A
We’ll be the first to admit the James Neal trade leans in Nashville’s favor, but GM Jim Rutherford’s first July 1 at the helm in Pittsburgh was a strong bounce-back.
At a time when GMs make some of their biggest mistakes, he passed on huge money for veteran defensemen Brooks Orpik and Matt Niskanen to instead land Christian Ehrhoff on a one-year deal worth $4 million. Along with Brad Richards, that was the best contract of the day.
Signing Thomas Greiss on a one-year deal worth $1 million was another value move, for a guy who had a .920 save percentage in Phoenix this past season and sports a .915 career mark. With Marc-Andre Fleury on the final year of his contract, there’s an opportunity in Pittsburgh for Greiss to steal time and possibly future employment.
Marcel Goc was another short-term value signing by Rutherford, coming in at $1.2 million. Depth on the cheap is exactly how playoff contenders are built in the cap era.
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St. Louis Blues: A
It must have been hard for GM Doug Armstrong to watch Western Conference rivals such as the Ducks and Stars shore up their center position while he waited on a decision from Stastny, but the Blues GM got his man, and he got him without having to commit to a max-term contract.
Stastny was the best center on the market, and could have landed more term elsewhere. The annual value of this deal ($7 million) is only a slight raise on Stastny’s last one in Colorado, and is not unreasonable considering the Blues were able to add him without giving up an asset like the Ducks and Stars had to in their center search. Stastny is a proven playoff producer, an ingredient that has been missing from the Blues the past couple seasons.
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Washington Capitals: B-minus
GM Brian MacLellan promised to address Washington's lackluster defense, and did it in a huge way. The Brooks Orpik contract (five years, $27.5 million) isn’t going to look good in a few years -- and has the potential to be a buyout candidate at the end of it -- but in the meantime, he gives Barry Trotz and the Washington coaching staff a veteran defenseman who can coach up the young blueliners in the system, much like he did in Pittsburgh.
The term on the Matt Niskanen deal (seven years, $5.75 million per season) is also concerning, but that’s what it takes to land the No. 1 defenseman on the market. For years, the Capitals needed to upgrade their top four on defense, and finally addressed it this offseason without touching their talent up front.
Justin Peters at $950,000 per season is good value as Braden Holtby's backup. The knock on former Caps GM George McPhee was that he was too conservative at times. You can’t say that about MacLellan.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 9:08 pm to DFWAggie09
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$6.6M left in space to sign Eakin, Dillon and Roussell
Unfortunately I think those three will cost us roughly $7.5M. I think Gonchar definitely gets moved (with us retaining some salary) and it seems very possible that Peverley will go on long term injured reserve. Those two moves could free up around $6.5M.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 1:44 pm to Baloo
Kane/Toews signed 8-year contract extensions today. $10.5 million average value for both of them. A LOT of money.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:25 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
But worth it.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:46 pm to UltimateHog
Maybe. Neither of them are worth it now, but it might not be too bad in 3 or 4 years if the cap rises.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:50 pm to UltimateHog
What about the Atlanta Thrash....Winnipeg Jets? 
I know I am in the minority here but I really miss Thrashers hockey.
I know I am in the minority here but I really miss Thrashers hockey. Posted on 7/9/14 at 3:57 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I'd say both are worth it right now, and the cap is going to rise each year.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 4:01 pm to UltimateHog
Too much money for anyone not named Crosby. Towes is not worth that and Kane is definitely not.
Posted on 7/9/14 at 4:05 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
I disagree, as does the Blackhawks front office.
They're 25 and 26 years old, top players in the League, Stanley Cup Champions, Captain, proven playoff big time performers...there are few less players than them I'd want to give that much money too.
They deserve it, smart move to lock them up.
Speaking of which, to no ones surprise, Crosby was in fact hurt during the playoffs, and is going to undergo minor wrist surgery next week. Helps explain a lot. Love that he never said word, no excuses.
They're 25 and 26 years old, top players in the League, Stanley Cup Champions, Captain, proven playoff big time performers...there are few less players than them I'd want to give that much money too.
They deserve it, smart move to lock them up.
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Too much money for anyone not named Crosby.
Speaking of which, to no ones surprise, Crosby was in fact hurt during the playoffs, and is going to undergo minor wrist surgery next week. Helps explain a lot. Love that he never said word, no excuses.
This post was edited on 7/9/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/9/14 at 4:55 pm to UltimateHog
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Love that he never said word, no excuses.
I wouldn't go that far. He just didn't use the injury as an excuse
Posted on 7/9/14 at 4:58 pm to lsu223
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I think Gonchar definitely gets moved (with us retaining some salary
Why not just use a compliance buyout for Gonchar?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 9:36 am to ironsides
Kathryn Tappen to NBC. Was the host/eye candy of NHL Tonight on the NHL Network, now going to work Notre Dame sidelines and the studio for the NHL on NBC.
frickity frick frick I hate Notre Dame!
frickity frick frick I hate Notre Dame!
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:36 am to UltimateHog
That's a long deal for two players, one of whom is a wing who has only scored 30 goals once. I think the Kane deal is a massive overpay: he's a wing who doesn't score at a crazy rate. Toews is more valuable because of his position and the fact he's a stellar defensive player. Now, the two biggest cap hits in the league are one team.
You have to spend to keep your stars, but I think the Hawks would have been better off to let Kane walk.
You have to spend to keep your stars, but I think the Hawks would have been better off to let Kane walk.
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