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NFL Overtime Scenario: Opening with an onside kick, Can recov. team win w/ FG?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:02 pm
Question 1
If someone were to open the overtime with an onside kick and recover it, is the game now sudden death and winnable by FG?(did that count as the receiving teams possession?
Question 2. (Totally different scenario)
Let's say the saints panthers are playing and the game goes to overtime.
Saints get the ball first. Drew Brees throws an interception. As the intercepting player is running with the ball, he fumbles the ball. The fumble is then recovered by the saints.
Can the saints then win with a FG via sudden death?
If someone were to open the overtime with an onside kick and recover it, is the game now sudden death and winnable by FG?(did that count as the receiving teams possession?
Question 2. (Totally different scenario)
Let's say the saints panthers are playing and the game goes to overtime.
Saints get the ball first. Drew Brees throws an interception. As the intercepting player is running with the ball, he fumbles the ball. The fumble is then recovered by the saints.
Can the saints then win with a FG via sudden death?
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 11:06 pm
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Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:02 pm to Cow Drogo
Yes game is over because the recievers lost possession
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:04 pm to sms151t
Are you talking about the first scenario or second?
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:05 pm to Cow Drogo
Question 1- Yes
Question 2- Don't know
Question 2- Don't know
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:06 pm to Cow Drogo
First in original response
Second I think it's still considered a change also not sure though
Second I think it's still considered a change also not sure though
Posted on 10/16/16 at 11:11 pm to Cow Drogo
Hmm, now you got me reading the rulebook...
(e) The opportunity to possess applies only during kicking plays. A kickoff is the opportunity to possess for the receiving team. If the kicking team legally recovers the kick, the receiving team is considered to have had its opportunity.
(4) If the second team loses possession by an interception or fumble, but the first team committed a foul prior to the change of possession, the second team’s possession has not legally ended, and the game cannot end on the down. However, in certain situations (see Approved Ruling 16.24) the second team cannot decline the
penalty and accept the result of the play, no matter how beneficial, because it would create a second
possession for itself. It must accept the penalty enforcement, which will extend its initial possession.
(5) The situation in (4) may also affect the team that receives the opening kickoff during its first possession. If there is a foul by the second team followed by a double change of possession, and the first team declines the penalty and accepts the result of the play, the second team has had its required possession, and the first team has possession of the ball for the second time and needs only a field goal to win. However, if it accepts the penalty, it will extend its initial possession (see Approved Ruling 16.25).
TL;DR: Yes to both.
quote:
Question 1
If someone were to open the overtime with an onside kick and recover it, is the game now sudden death and winnable by FG?(did that count as the receiving teams possession?
(e) The opportunity to possess applies only during kicking plays. A kickoff is the opportunity to possess for the receiving team. If the kicking team legally recovers the kick, the receiving team is considered to have had its opportunity.
quote:
Question 2. (Totally different scenario)
Let's say the saints panthers are playing and the game goes to overtime.
Saints get the ball first. Drew Brees throws an interception. As the intercepting player is running with the ball, he fumbles the ball. The fumble is then recovered by the saints.
Can the saints then win with a FG via sudden death?
(4) If the second team loses possession by an interception or fumble, but the first team committed a foul prior to the change of possession, the second team’s possession has not legally ended, and the game cannot end on the down. However, in certain situations (see Approved Ruling 16.24) the second team cannot decline the
penalty and accept the result of the play, no matter how beneficial, because it would create a second
possession for itself. It must accept the penalty enforcement, which will extend its initial possession.
(5) The situation in (4) may also affect the team that receives the opening kickoff during its first possession. If there is a foul by the second team followed by a double change of possession, and the first team declines the penalty and accepts the result of the play, the second team has had its required possession, and the first team has possession of the ball for the second time and needs only a field goal to win. However, if it accepts the penalty, it will extend its initial possession (see Approved Ruling 16.25).
TL;DR: Yes to both.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:08 am to saintsfan92612
Dude you are the man. 
I haven't been able to get an answer on that from multiple people. Always wondered that since the changed the rules.
I haven't been able to get an answer on that from multiple people. Always wondered that since the changed the rules.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:16 am to Cow Drogo
NFL overtime sucks balls.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:24 am to Giantkiller
Should be sudden death
Touchdown only or safety wins.
No FG's
Then draws would come in to play too.
Bookies would win a ton in any draw.
Touchdown only or safety wins.
No FG's
Then draws would come in to play too.
Bookies would win a ton in any draw.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:28 am to Cow Drogo
I wanted to know this as well
Posted on 10/17/16 at 12:51 am to Cow Drogo
thats a good question on #2. actually both 
Posted on 10/17/16 at 4:57 am to Jones
To my knowledge neither has occurred yet.
With some idiot players admitting that they didn't know an NFL game could end in a tie,
I bet some of the players or coaches haven't even pondered yet opening an OT with an onside kick.
With some idiot players admitting that they didn't know an NFL game could end in a tie,
I bet some of the players or coaches haven't even pondered yet opening an OT with an onside kick.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:01 am to Cow Drogo
These were two questions I hadn't even considered before. Thanks for asking them. And thanks to saintsfan92612 for answering them.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 5:14 am to Cow Drogo
quote:
Bookies would win a ton in any draw.
How do you figure? They'd have to refund all ML tickets instead of collecting their usual 10%.
Oh and they're called ties in American football.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 6:45 am to JG77056
This guys gonna tie your momma up
Posted on 10/17/16 at 8:10 am to saintsfan92612
I am not so sure about question 2. What you highlighted talks about there being a penalty involved. Question 2 doesn't involve a penalty.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 9:16 am to Cow Drogo
quote:
Should be sudden death
Touchdown only or safety wins.
No FG's
Then draws would come in to play too.
Bookies would win a ton in any draw.
Two alternatives to the current OT rules:
a. First to 4 points win (2 FGs/safeties or 1 TD) to eliminate winning sudden death by only kicking a FG.
b. Auction off field position and revert back to old sudden death rule. So how does the auction work? We start at the 35, and the teams "bid" for possession by taking the ball as close to their goal line as possible. Bidding ends when a team bows out of the bidding process or one team bids their own 1 yard line. Any method of scoring wins the game.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:26 am to Cow Drogo
quote:
If someone were to open the overtime with an onside kick and recover it, is the game now sudden death and winnable by FG?(did that count as the receiving teams possession?
No, because team one never had possession.
quote:
Saints get the ball first. Drew Brees throws an interception. As the intercepting player is running with the ball, he fumbles the ball. The fumble is then recovered by the saints.
Can the saints then win with a FG via sudden death?
Yes, because both teams had possession.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:27 am to iwasthere
yeah, it is the only thing in the new overtime rulebook that talks about a double change of possession.
But since the penalty is declined, it is assumable that it applies to all situations. A double-change of possession counts as both teams possessions.
But since the penalty is declined, it is assumable that it applies to all situations. A double-change of possession counts as both teams possessions.
Posted on 10/17/16 at 11:43 am to Cow Drogo
quote:
With some idiot players admitting that they didn't know an NFL game could end in a tie,
To this day, I'm still dumbfounded that McNabb would publicly admit that.
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