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re: Mike Bianchi: Bobby Bowden better than both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant

Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:44 am to
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9111 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:44 am to
Except that he couldn't beat Bear Bryant no matter how long he had to prepare. Neither Paterno or Ohio State's greatest ever Woody Hayes could beat Bryant. Paterno was 0-4 against the Bear.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
9434 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:57 am to
If the BCS still existed, Saban would probably have another title assuming Alabama would've beat FSU last season.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 6:02 am to
Saban, Bowden and Bryant were great but I think today teams are more even across the board. With every team being on national tv, having deals with nike/under armour/Adidas/etc many programs have the funds to compete, when Bryant and Bowden were at their pinnacle they did not have as much competition imo. Also, I think the extra games they play now gives teams more opportunities to come out flat and lose, CFB basically has 15 games and could soon move to 16, more games played = more chances to lose. Plus every team still plays in conference, schedules one power team from another top conference, with 3 cupcakes, then the bowl game or playoffs.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11427 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:44 am to
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he ducked the SEC like a vag to pad his winning.


You really have to go back and see where Bowden started from at FSU. I went back and watched some old FSU games recently and even having a pretty decent knowledge of how he built FSU, I was floored by the way he did it.

You talk about the SEC, he played as many of them as he could in the seventies, eighties, and early nineties, usually on the road. Signed two-for-one, and three-for-one home and home series with almost any powerhouse that would do it. It was almost a barnstormers mentality, taking his fledgling program to fight anyone, anywhere. He played both of the major Florida schools every year, something neither of those two teams in that three-way can say. He took a program with little to no football success and made it into a premier powerhouse for two decades. FSU could have had a few more National championships... especially if the format was BCS/Final Four. They were almost always one of the top four teams in America at bowl time.


It is truly an amazing rise to power, and an unconventional route.
Posted by gamecocks22
SC
Member since Dec 2012
4913 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:48 am to
Spurrier > Bowden

Saban > Spurrier
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
21973 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:12 am to
quote:

Bobby Bowden better than both Nick Saban and Bear Bryant
Do you agree?
no, Saban is better than both...Nick has 5 legit titles...Bobby Bowden and Bear Bryant only have one legit title. And the Bear won all his games with no scholarship limits.
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
12824 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:47 am to
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Spurrier > Bowden


Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:13 am to
Paterno himself said he was no match for Bear, in his autobiography
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:14 am to
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Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....
He got to compete in each of those years. He came up short with one loss and less impressive wins than other schools who were chosen to play for the championships. How many close games did FSU play in the ACC during those 13 years with top 4 finishes? What sort of success were other members of the ACC having? If FSU lost to either Florida or Miami should they have been national champions if they weren't clearly the best team in Florida?
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:17 am to
quote:

“It haunted my ego,” Paterno said in his autobiography, By The Book. “When I stood toe to toe with Bear Bryant, he outcoached me.”


LINK
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
66909 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:24 am to
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if he's going that route, he might as well throw in howard schnellenberger too. miami was less than nothing, then for 20 years, they were the team to beat. sure, they don't have but a handful of titles in comparison to ND, USC, UA, etc. but that guy built a fricking program.


And started the program at FAU.

Schnellenberger is definitely in the discussion using the OP articles parameters.

And you have to take into account Fake Howard Schnellenberger who is tGOAT call in guest.
Posted by RedHawk
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
8842 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:13 am to
Bowden did a great job, no doubt about it. But come on, it was just a matter of time till FSU was great in college football. Way too much talent around them to not be great. Same as LSU.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:38 am to
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Bowden had 5 one loss seasons in which he didn't get the opportunity to compete for the title....

Sounds like he should have been playing in a tougher conference.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94971 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:40 am to
quote:


Sounds like he should have been playing in a tougher conference.
Or there happened to be two undefeated teams those years you dumb Gump
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:41 am to
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Jimmy Johnson is better college coach than Saban . Jimmy recruited more hall of gamers than Saban and majority of his hall of farmers were from okie state

So you're telling me Saban won with less talent? I'll take it.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35467 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:15 pm to
Bear Bryant was 0-3 vs. Ara Parseghian.

In fact, the Irish are 5-1 against the Tide.

Bama could not beat teams from the North and Notre Dame and ND and Michigan State and USC rightfully deserved titles over them.

Bear was 0-11-2 outside of the South in out-of-conference. He dominated a pale-face league but didn't fare too well playing against the big league...back then the SEC was considered extremely weak unlike today. The real football was considered the Midwest with black players and the West Coast.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
202780 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:29 pm to
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it was just a matter of time till FSU was great in college football. Way too much talent around them to not be great.


I don't agree here... You still have to coach the players you get.. They may have gottem better but without Bowden they don't get where they were. IMO....



quote:

Same as LSU.



Also disagree... Just take a look at the ton of great talent that Miles has gotten here and look at his season to season records against say Bowdens FSU teams... You still have to coach and develop players once they get to your school... Saban is BY FAR the best at doing this at this time.. We may NEVER see such a thing that Saban is doing now ever again... Its simply amazing....
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50262 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:56 pm to
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Bear Bryant was 0-3 vs. Ara Parseghian.

In fact, the Irish are 5-1 against the Tide.

Bama could not beat teams from the North and Notre Dame and ND and Michigan State and USC rightfully deserved titles over them.

Bear was 0-11-2 outside of the South in out-of-conference. He dominated a pale-face league but didn't fare too well playing against the big league...back then the SEC was considered extremely weak unlike today. The real football was considered the Midwest with black players and the West Coast.


As much as it pains me, I was coming here to post this.

Blah.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:16 pm to
Here's what I get out of this:

1. I had no idea who Mike Bianchi is
2. Mike Bianchi trolled Roll Tide Nation
3. Mike Bianchi is now famous
4. His webpage is getting a bunch of hate clicks

Mission accomplished.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65024 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 5:10 pm to
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Bama could not beat teams from the North


So Ohio State and Penn State aren't teams from the North? And I'm pretty sure he won games against USC in Los Angeles in 1971 and 1977. He also won one or two games over Penn State in Happy Valley.

He also went up into Maryland to defeat a Top 15 Terps squad in '74. Defeated Mizzou and Washington at their home stadiums in '78. And went to New York to play and defeat Rutgers in 1980.

So, yeah...you might want to check that 0-11-2 stat you pulled out of your arse concerning games played outside the South against non-conference opponents.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 6:37 pm
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