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re: Mariota: "eating it up pretty quickly"
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:29 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:29 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
I am not talking about you specifically. I have witnessed several Mariota thread blow up on this forum and they are largely disparaging. Not a lot of posters give him a chance. Most comments I read suggest his ceiling is low (could be an average qb at the very best) but most likely a bust. It's usually mixed with the Oregon "QB narrative", can't make reads, and he looked awful against tOSU. They are usually baseless comments that are myopic and contrary to popular opinion.
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Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:31 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
quote:Certainly. Anybody that thinks Mett will easily beat out MM is not thinking clearly. He may beat him out, but your confidence is disconnected from the reality of the situation.
You wanna try that again, genius?
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:36 pm to bisonduck
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I have witnessed several Mariota thread blow up on this forum and they are largely disparaging. Not a lot of posters give him a chance.
That's because most of the arm chair QBs on this board only watch 1-2 Oregon games a year. The Stanford game and their bowl game.
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It's usually mixed with the Oregon "QB narrative"
Again. Lazy arse analysis. All of Oregon's previous high draft picks at QB had accuracy issues. Mariota has NEVER had those.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:37 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:I meant the whole copying & pasting thing. It's apparently pretty tricky for you.
Certainly. Anybody that thinks Mett will easily beat out MM is not thinking clearly. He may beat him out, but your confidence is disconnected from the reality of the situation.
Regardless, I just said that we're not worried about it, which means that we aren't losing sleep over it, either way. I think that Mett has much more upside and should retain his starting job, but the Titans have not proven themselves to be the most well-run organization in the league, so either outcome is equally likely.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:40 pm to bisonduck
quote:To be fair, the success rate of guys coming out of systems like that is not favorable. So can you blame them?
Not a lot of posters give him a chance. Most comments I read suggest his ceiling is low (could be an average qb at the very best) but most likely a bust. It's usually mixed with the Oregon "QB narrative", can't make reads, and he looked awful against tOSU.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:44 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Mett having more upside is absurd. That is where you look disconnected. Mariota's upside is off the charts.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:48 pm to bisonduck
Whatever you say, guy. But I watched them both play extensively in college, and saw Mett make throws that Mariota couldn't even come close to. Marcus has a strong enough arm, but Mett can thread the needle like nobody's business.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:55 pm to bisonduck
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Most comments I read suggest his ceiling is low (could be an average qb at the very best) but most likely a bust.
I think his ceiling is extraordinarily high. It's his starting point and his floor, which is low. In Tennessee he won't be afforded the time to grow at the rate he needs to succeed. It's a simple matter of reps. Great work ethic and character are great but even the most well prepared QBs like your Mannings and Lucks have a learning curve, and I wouldn't put Mariota in that category.
So many QBs that have taken his path have been forced to play early only to have their confidence shattered. Then they never recover.
Quite honestly if he ends the season healthy I'd consider that a major victory for him.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:55 pm to Goldrush25
i got sumthin mariota can eat yo
Posted on 6/3/15 at 12:58 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
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Marcus has a strong enough arm, but Mett can thread the needle like nobody's business.
So, arm strength = updside? Most of the great qbs don't have the greatest arm strength. I don't know any great qbs that don't work the pocket well and I saw nothing from Mett that suggests he is going to dramatically improve in this area.
My biggest gripe with Mariota is sometimes he could step up the urgency but Mett can get rattled and he already has a deficiency in mobility. The biggest asset you can have at this level is your mind and Mariota has the quickest processor that I've seen.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:02 pm to bisonduck
quote:That, and the confidence to put the ball where it needs to go, are key elements of it. Mett doesn't think there's any throw that he can't make. He's a cocky SOB, but in a good way.
So, arm strength = updside?
quote:The contrast in his pocket presence between college and even his preseason games was significant. His first TD pass in their preseason game vs the Saints was a result of him working the pocket like I'd never once seen him do at LSU (sadly). Seems to me that he's pretty coachable in that regard.
and I saw nothing from Mett that suggests he is going to dramatically improve in this area.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:05 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
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I meant the whole copying & pasting thing. It's apparently pretty tricky for you.
I have a horrible time with it in my iPhone.quote:Well that's reasonable. I was interpreting it with the "Mett is clearly better than MM" crowd in mind. Well I will admit my interpretation was poor.
Regardless, I just said that we're not worried about it, which means that we aren't losing sleep over it, either way.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:08 pm to bisonduck
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So, arm strength = updside? Most of the great qbs don't have the greatest arm strength.
Well true.
But arm strength is arguably the single most important attribute for a NFL QB, where error margins are reduced to fractions of a second. If you were to pick the one elite attribute for your QB to have, it would be arm strength. It's like height in the NBA. It masks other mediocre attributes to an extent.
There's a reason why Jeff George kept getting work despite being a pain in the arse. Additionally, I don't know one great QB that had a noodlearm.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:18 pm to Goldrush25
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But arm strength is arguably the single most important attribute for a NFL QB, where error margins are reduced to fractions of a second.
I would weight the mental side over arm strength, which I would say is more a threshold attribute. If two have the requisite arm strength and one is better on the mental side and the other has A+ arm strength, I would personally take the former.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:24 pm to bisonduck
You keep referencing MM's quick-thinking abilities, but doesn't Oregon run a system that that reduces the number of decisions that a QB has to make? I think that's why a lot of people are doubting his long-term viability.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:35 pm to bisonduck
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I would weight the mental side over arm strength, which I would say is more a threshold attribute. If two have the requisite arm strength and one is better on the mental side and the other has A+ arm strength, I would personally take the former.
You just said it, if both QBs have requisite arm strength. That's what you need first.
No scout starts out evaluating a QB by evaluating his intelligence. They evaluate his physical tools, most specifically his arm strength. He either has it there or he doesn't. If he doesn't, intelligence doesn't matter and scouts don't waste their time.
You don't need to be very intelligent to play in the NFL. However you do need an arm strength skill level that is uncommon even at the college level. That makes it the more coveted attribute.
Of course if two QBs are in the same tier in terms of arm strength then you begin to evaluate other attributes, but it starts with arm strength. There have been borderline idiots that have made it in the NFL because of their arm strength primarily.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:35 pm to Grit-Eating Shin
Oregon system is reads but they're presnap
It's a simple offense to run. The only simpler one is the Air Raid.
It's a simple offense to run. The only simpler one is the Air Raid.
This post was edited on 6/3/15 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:41 pm to bisonduck
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The biggest asset you can have at this level is your mind and Mariota has the quickest processor that I've seen.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:54 pm to sms151t
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Oregon system is reads but they're presnap
This just isn't true.
Posted on 6/3/15 at 1:59 pm to PurpGold 14-0
Joe Gilliam 2.0
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