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re: Manu Ginobili HOF?
Posted on 5/8/16 at 9:56 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 5/8/16 at 9:56 pm to WestCoastAg
quote:I didn't know Sabonis was even in, but if he is, I don't see how you can argue Manu being a lock.
Not really as far as locks go
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:02 pm to shel311
Sabonis is arguably one of the best 4 best Centers to play the game since the beginning of the 80's
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:03 pm to JW6
Would probably be a hall of farmer without playing in the NBA.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:10 pm to sms151t
quote:Good Lord. Arvydas is not in the company of Olajuwon, O'Neal, Ewing, and Robinson. That's 4 really easy right there
Sabonis is arguably one of the best 4 best Centers to play the game since the beginning of the 80's
Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:11 pm to genro
Sabonis in the NBA was a shell of himself. Go read what they said about him before. He was that good.
If the Hawks would've waited a year to draft him he would have been Atlanta property. The NBA voided the pick in 85 as he wasn't 21 yet
If the Hawks would've waited a year to draft him he would have been Atlanta property. The NBA voided the pick in 85 as he wasn't 21 yet
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:16 pm to JW6
2 time nba all star? 14 points a game? Nope.
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:56 pm to JW6
His Italian team won the Italian league and Euro titles.
Argentina won Olympic gold with him as star.
Argentina won World Championship with him as star.
Its a great career but not an NBA hall of fame career with just 14, 3, 3.
Havlicek also started out as 6th man, but later averaged 28, 9 and 7.5 and 27 8, 7 in his two best seasons and lots of 20 points a game seasons.
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:00 am to sms151t
He still wouldn't have come over yet
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:08 am to dabigfella
Great posts in this thread 
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:17 am to genro
In his PRIME, he would have been right there with them. I shared this before:
Bill Walton said this after watching a 19 Year Old Sabonis
A fun story about Sabonis/Lithuania team in 1992
George Karl after two lone coaching stints in Madrid
Finally, after his X-Rays upon arriving in Portland in 1995
Sabonis fresh off rehabbing an injury playing against a future NBA Great
How Sabonis found out about being drafted by the NBA
If you're needing something to read while on the pooper at work, here's the whole article
Grantland Article
His 1986 highlights
What Could Have Been In Portland
quote:
“I am no longer a locomotive, only a small trolley,” Sabonis once told the Oregonian after he arrived in Portland.
quote:
Even before he came over to the NBA, Sabonis was slowed down by two ruptured Achilles and an assortment of foot, ankle, and knee injuries. The first occurred at the age of 22, in 1986, the same year Portland drafted Sabonis 24th overall
Bill Walton said this after watching a 19 Year Old Sabonis
quote:
“He probably had a quadruple-double at halftime, and his coach, Alexander Gomelsky, didn’t even start him in the second half,”
A fun story about Sabonis/Lithuania team in 1992
quote:
The legend of Sabonis grew after the game. The United States would play Croatia in the gold-medal game eight hours later, allowing for a time gap between the bronze game and the award ceremony. Sabonis and his teammates ventured back to the Olympic dormitory, where Sabonis challenged fellow Olympians in arm wrestling for shots. One by one, wrestlers and shot putters among them, Sabonis beat them. By the time of the award ceremony, three Lithuanians did not make it to the podium. Sabonis was one of them. “I knew how they used to roll,” said Chris Mullin, part of the United States’ Dream Team. “I think they came out with their tie-dye on. They did what the Deadheads do. They got loosened up. Made use of their free time.”
George Karl after two lone coaching stints in Madrid
quote:
“When I came back, I was asked if I could do it all over and try again to bring a championship to Madrid, who would I try to get on my team?” Karl said. “Sabonis was my answer. The best player in Europe was Sabonis. The most difficult player to play against was Sabonis. I had actually told all the NBA scouts who had come over to Europe to see Toni Kukoc and Sabonis at that time the same thing. I told them Kukoc is good. He’s an NBA player, but the best guy if you want to win is Sabonis.”
Finally, after his X-Rays upon arriving in Portland in 1995
quote:
Whitsitt asked Portland’s team physician, Dr. Robert Cook, to take a look at Sabonis’ X-rays before he arrived. Cook asked Whitsitt if he was sure his new player could play. “He said that Arvydas could qualify for a handicapped parking spot based on the X-ray alone,” Whitsitt said.
Sabonis fresh off rehabbing an injury playing against a future NBA Great
quote:
Before the 1988 Olympics, Sabonis visited Portland for a medical procedure on his Achilles.2 After an 18-month layoff, he returned in time to dominate David Robinson in the semifinals.
How Sabonis found out about being drafted by the NBA
quote:
Sabonis found out about his selection from reading it in a magazine article, uncertain of what it would eventually mean but certain the NBA was not a current option because of the political climate in his home country.
If you're needing something to read while on the pooper at work, here's the whole article
Grantland Article
His 1986 highlights
What Could Have Been In Portland
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 12:19 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:23 am to theducks
quote:
Before the 1988 Olympics, Sabonis visited Portland for a medical procedure on his Achilles.2 After an 18-month layoff, he returned in time to dominate David Robinson in the semifinals.
Sabonis "dominating" David Robinson in that 88 Olympic game:
Sabonis - 13 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal
Robinson - 19 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 12:24 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:30 am to SPEEDY
Manu is a lock, no doubt.
It helps that he has heavily influenced the international game. I put him and Dirk as the top 2 of this generation for international influence (from non-US players).
It helps that he has heavily influenced the international game. I put him and Dirk as the top 2 of this generation for international influence (from non-US players).
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:44 am to JW6
HOF for sure.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:04 am to Othello
quote:
HOF for sure.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:23 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Wait, for real? I feel like Tony Parker is easily one of the best basketball players I've ever seen.
If anything, you have this backwards
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:55 am to JW6
Easily in the HOF. Along with Kevin Mchale the GOAT sixth man. If he had his own team he's easily a 25-5-5 player
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:23 am to SPEEDY
quote:
Sabonis "dominating" David Robinson in that 88 Olympic game: Sabonis - 13 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal Robinson - 19 points, 13 rebounds, 2 blocks, 2 steals
One of the things in that article referenced the "legend of Sabonis", and any time you have someone speaking in those terms, you can almost bet the story is going to be embellished.
Without having played in the NBA in his prime against the best competition, you can't possibly make any argument that he was the best center since 1980.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:33 am to SPEEDY
Video of the game. 1st half
Full 2nd half
Here is the 1986 WC stat line
Robinson 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks
Sabonis 16 points, 13 rebounds and 4 blocks
The USA wins that Olympic game if Bimbo Coles and Charles Smith are not picked over Macon or Gary Grant. Hersey Hawkins being hurt made that team have no outside shooter except Thunder Dan who was wasn't a shooter yet. Richmond was a slasher also.
ETA:
Sabonis had just come back from his first ruptured Achilles in 88 Olympics. Robinson had been on a submarine and recruiting station duty. This conversation is not about best 4 it would have been who was the 2nd best C since 80 if Sampson doesn't have knee and back injuries in 87.
Full 2nd half
Here is the 1986 WC stat line
Robinson 20 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks
Sabonis 16 points, 13 rebounds and 4 blocks
The USA wins that Olympic game if Bimbo Coles and Charles Smith are not picked over Macon or Gary Grant. Hersey Hawkins being hurt made that team have no outside shooter except Thunder Dan who was wasn't a shooter yet. Richmond was a slasher also.
ETA:
Sabonis had just come back from his first ruptured Achilles in 88 Olympics. Robinson had been on a submarine and recruiting station duty. This conversation is not about best 4 it would have been who was the 2nd best C since 80 if Sampson doesn't have knee and back injuries in 87.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:01 am to JW6
Damn, guys. Seriously.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:02 am to JW6
That Big 3 will all easily get in............Deservedly so.
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