re: Manning, Brees, Brady, etc career playoff record/PPG

Outperforming isn't always about numbers. It's about doing what it takes to win. What if Brady only passed for 200 yards, but completed over 80/90% of those passes?

Also, what if you switch your scenario around and give Brady the 3 TD's and 300 yards passing? Would you say Brady outperformed Manning?

Dallas Clark was far from a nobody during his prime, so let's get that nonsense out of the way.

And, aren't you missing someone?

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Peyton had 3 turnovers in that game (2 INTs and a fumble) and got 14 points from special teams. that game is a terrible one to bring up.

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One turnover was a pick 6 that bounced off of his receivers hands. Another turnover happened in overtime when there never should have been an overtime.

Peyton was obviously struggling in the second half of that game coming off of neck surgery and facing the weather elements. He needed help in the second half, and the special teams gave him that help. Nothing wrong with that, Brady gets plenty of help from Belichek and his defense. However, Brady's defense never gives up the 78 yard bomb with 35 seconds left.

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And, aren't you missing someone?

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Who? This is the 2009 Super Bowl team. If you are talking about Marvin Harrison, he was gone.

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Who? This is the 2009 Super Bowl team. If you are talking about Marvin Harrison, he was gone.

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Yes, I'm talking about Harrison. Why are you limiting it to just the 2009 team? Peyton entered the league in 1998.

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No, but this comes pretty close.

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Exactly, then Brady got the ball back and didnt score. Therefore he is a choker and Eli is better. Am I doing it right?

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However, Brady's defense never gives up the 78 yard bomb with 35 seconds left.

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Or sometimes they do but Lee Evans drops the ball

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Why just 2009? Because Peyton Manning led that team, that was not loaded with talent and coached by Jim Caldwell, to a 14-0 record, and eventually the Super Bowl.

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OH, I gotcha. I didn't know you were talking about a specific year. I skimmed the post. My apologies.

Nonetheless, Peyton was surrounded by some of the best talent in the NFL for many other seasons before 2009, so I would be careful to say Brady was always surrounded by a bunch of Monstars and Peyton always had to deal with scraps.

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, I gotcha. I didn't know you were talking about a specific year. I skimmed the post. My apologies

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Hey, there is definitely room to debate. Both Brady and Manning have had years with elite talent surrounding them, and years where it was the qb shouldering all the heavy lifting.

I got off to a bad start this morning because when I hopped in my truck Chris Carter was mocking Manning's playoff record. Someone remind me, how many Super Bowls did Carter play in?

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One turnover was a pick 6 that bounced off of his receivers hands.

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I love how people say an int doesn't count because it bounced off a WR's hand. If a QB throws a pass that bounces off a DB's hands should that count as an int? They all even out. It's the same with incompletions. "Well, he was 14-20, but three of those incompletions were dropped". They don't mention the three or four bad passes the QB made that the WR made a play on and caught.