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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
<<i grew up (at least middle school on) with most of the kids who ended up on the baseball/football teams>>
I'll suggest to you that your recollection of Barbe baseball is no different that how most good private school programs remember their teams as well. Especially before the demographic shift of LC pushed the majority of the white (baseball-playing) population to the southwest side of town, kids in the SLC system would migrate to Barbe before or during high school
I'll suggest to you that your recollection of Barbe baseball is no different that how most good private school programs remember their teams as well. Especially before the demographic shift of LC pushed the majority of the white (baseball-playing) population to the southwest side of town, kids in the SLC system would migrate to Barbe before or during high school
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:32 pm to CyrustheVirus
the total was 53% split, 30% status quo, 15% absent, 1% abstain
so it was a majority vote. fair enough
now to figure out what happens next on both sides
so it was a majority vote. fair enough
now to figure out what happens next on both sides
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:32 pm to trident
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Also, I guarantee now that Favre is at Slidell, they will start getting guys that live in Salmen's zone.
I agree. Shits about to get crazy different.
Explain??
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:34 pm to CourseyCorridor
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I'll suggest to you that your recollection of Barbe baseball is no different that how most good private school programs remember their teams as well.
barbe baseball = SLC all stars
if you weren't invited, you had to try out. one guy made the team who wasn't from the SLCLL machine (my friend from houston)
it may be different now, but that's how it was when i went there
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Especially before the demographic shift of LC pushed the majority of the white (baseball-playing) population to the southwest side of town, kids in the SLC system would migrate to Barbe before or during high school
so like...the 80s?
i was born in north lake charles in 1983. while SLC has expanded, these people weren't living where i lived at any point in my life
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:34 pm to Ric Flair
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i grew up (at least middle school on) with most of the kids who ended up on the baseball/football teams
Best I can tell, that was actually legit. I think the story is they were casino workers because the company owned casinos in Puerto Rico and they transfered tehm (not like they moved from PR to play baseball for Barbe).
Considering the casino is in the heart of the Barbe district and there are rentals up and down Nelson Road geared to casino workers...I think it checks out as legit.
Having said that, it's second or third hand info, so forgive me if they really came to work in the plants or whatnot.
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Since public is behind this then they should go all out...ANY transfers into public schools should require a one year sit out no exceptions
All holdbacks unless illness or academics (less than 2.0 GPA) should require a one year sit out.
Last if you turn 19 during your senior year you can not participate in athletics period
All holdbacks unless illness or academics (less than 2.0 GPA) should require a one year sit out.
Last if you turn 19 during your senior year you can not participate in athletics period
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:37 pm to CourseyCorridor
i've heard rumors about the kids from PR but i find it hard that they'd come to lake charles and play for barbe if they were moving to the continental US to aid their sports development. i mean florida is RIGHT there and speaks a LOT more spanish
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:40 pm to TJG210
You are missing my point. But I will play along. How many "attendance zones" are in the New Orleans metro area?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:40 pm to CourseyCorridor
Barbe baseball coaches dont have to recruit. Everyone in the state knows about Barbe. If anyone is recruiting for Barbe Baseball it is their parents and that happens everywhere
You guys are way off on a tangent
What is stunning to me is they voted to pass this when it is really just an idea, it is not a fully fleshed out rule. The logistics of all of this are mind numbing.
They dont know what the criteria for select/non-select is really going to be
They don't know how the playoff seeding will work
They dont know when they will play two extra games in the Superdome - there was talk of playing on Thursday
They dont know how this will affect sponsors or the financials of the LHSAA
They dont know if this will cause a dramatic crack in the LHSAA forcing a full blown split.
Yet they did it anyway
You guys are way off on a tangent
What is stunning to me is they voted to pass this when it is really just an idea, it is not a fully fleshed out rule. The logistics of all of this are mind numbing.
They dont know what the criteria for select/non-select is really going to be
They don't know how the playoff seeding will work
They dont know when they will play two extra games in the Superdome - there was talk of playing on Thursday
They dont know how this will affect sponsors or the financials of the LHSAA
They dont know if this will cause a dramatic crack in the LHSAA forcing a full blown split.
Yet they did it anyway
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
mid-90s, when it was shifting from a competitive Barbe-LaGrange rivalry to one where everybody was going to Barbe. There were kids like Yogi Ceasar who flat out transferred, kids kids that lived in the LG zone but got school board approval for the move or skirted around the rules (no names, don't want to throw anybody under the bus) and kids who moved during junior high to be able to go to Barbe and play.
Now, part of this is the early-mid 90s is when LaGrange was experiencing the bulk of its white flight, so one might argue if a certain player who used to ride his bike from his home a few blocks away from Brentwood Park to play LL games all of a sudden is playing for Barbe, it may be a legit move based on a sold house and a move to a "newer, nicer" house in SW LC.
But what's the difference in that and a white football player who might have gone from Broadmoor Middle to Catholic High in the 90s (not in the Broadmoor zone) for the same reason?
This is complete hypocrisy from the Barbe standpoint.
Now, part of this is the early-mid 90s is when LaGrange was experiencing the bulk of its white flight, so one might argue if a certain player who used to ride his bike from his home a few blocks away from Brentwood Park to play LL games all of a sudden is playing for Barbe, it may be a legit move based on a sold house and a move to a "newer, nicer" house in SW LC.
But what's the difference in that and a white football player who might have gone from Broadmoor Middle to Catholic High in the 90s (not in the Broadmoor zone) for the same reason?
This is complete hypocrisy from the Barbe standpoint.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:42 pm to supatigah
summary: lots of butt hurt by a bunch of small public schools that don't matter
in true LA fashion, they just nuke it all instead of creating an intelligent plan
in true LA fashion, they just nuke it all instead of creating an intelligent plan
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:46 pm to CourseyCorridor
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Now, part of this is the early-mid 90s is when LaGrange was experiencing the bulk of its white flight, so one might argue if a certain player who used to ride his bike from his home a few blocks away from Brentwood Park to play LL games all of a sudden is playing for Barbe, it may be a legit move based on a sold house and a move to a "newer, nicer" house in SW LC.
But what's the difference in that and a white football player who might have gone from Broadmoor Middle to Catholic High in the 90s (not in the Broadmoor zone) for the same reason?
the biggest issue is paying for school
moving to a better part of town or being a minority and choosing (via deseg) to go to a good school is not the same as receiving a scholarship/reduced tuition to go to a private school
like i said earlier, barbe is now about 50/50 and the demos of SLC are like 95/5. in a school with like 1600 kids. the vast majority of kids who go to barbe from out of its district are going for the school/environment and not sports
these kids likely were already in teh SLC system and went through FK or SJ before anybody knew they'd be good at sports
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:47 pm to nevilletiger79
So will Neville still pursue their charter now?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:47 pm to sig3197
almost none in Orleans Parish proper
Chalmette
Belle Chasse
Phoenix
South Plaquemines
East Jeff
Riverdale
Bonnabel
Grace King
Ehret
Higgins
West Jeff
Helen Cox
Fisher
Grand Isle
Hahnville
Destrehan
East St. John
West St. John
Mandeville
Covington
Fontainebleau
Lakeshore
Slidell
Northshore
Salmen
Pearl River
Sarah Reed?
Carver?
Chalmette
Belle Chasse
Phoenix
South Plaquemines
East Jeff
Riverdale
Bonnabel
Grace King
Ehret
Higgins
West Jeff
Helen Cox
Fisher
Grand Isle
Hahnville
Destrehan
East St. John
West St. John
Mandeville
Covington
Fontainebleau
Lakeshore
Slidell
Northshore
Salmen
Pearl River
Sarah Reed?
Carver?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
here are the factions:
NORLA community schools that dont have private schools in their area. North LA people dont understand the enrollment mess that South LA has going on. Example - Winnfield
state wide community schools that do have private schools in their area and are tired of losing kids to the privates Example Crowley High and Notre Dame
Public 3A, 4A and 5A schools that dont want to deal with ECA and JC in their class
VS
Private schools
Magnet schools
Charter schools
Caught in the middle? Class B and Class C schools
If there is a full blown private split it will be because the privayes know this isnt the end of it, it is just the beginning. Football is the first step but this will not quiet the public volleyball/basketball schools and the public baseball/softball schools that are being dominated by select enrollment schools.
NORLA community schools that dont have private schools in their area. North LA people dont understand the enrollment mess that South LA has going on. Example - Winnfield
state wide community schools that do have private schools in their area and are tired of losing kids to the privates Example Crowley High and Notre Dame
Public 3A, 4A and 5A schools that dont want to deal with ECA and JC in their class
VS
Private schools
Magnet schools
Charter schools
Caught in the middle? Class B and Class C schools
If there is a full blown private split it will be because the privayes know this isnt the end of it, it is just the beginning. Football is the first step but this will not quiet the public volleyball/basketball schools and the public baseball/softball schools that are being dominated by select enrollment schools.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:52 pm to supatigah
Will we know what teams are in what district? when will that be decided?
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:52 pm to supatigah
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NORLA community schools that dont have private schools in their area. North LA people dont understand the enrollment mess that South LA has going on. Example - Winnfield
I already had this fight with an in-law, whose wife is a public school teacher in North LA, with regard to Jindal's charter school push.
He pretty much didn't give a frick how messed up the school systems are in BR, NOLA, Lake Chuck, etc., and didn't seem too thrilled about some of the solutions that the areas had which got blocked by the legislature, such as the aborted EBR ISD.
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:53 pm to supatigah
this seems to be in large part a rural/urban thing, and the rural schools get disproportionate representation in the vote
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the biggest issue is paying for school
Here is the only difference between LC and Baton Rouge/New Orleans, where the bulk of the private school powers are:
In Lake Charles, there was still a good public school option in Barbe. If you want to live in south Baton Rouge and not have to move out to the suburbs and still get your kid in a good athletics program you HAVE to fork out the money to private school. You have no choice.
And I'm not saying this because EBR has lost 90 percent of its Caucasian enrollment (just a guess). I say it because EBR limits coaching staff sizes to less than what their competitors have, EBR has tougher GPA restrictions than rival places and EBR has such a crappy history with bussing and a lack of continuity between elementary-middle-high school districts that it's nearly impossible to build a system that extends beyond when a player first sets foot in your school.
Lake Charles has Barbe and Monroe has West Monroe (and Neville) which will always draw students based on having advantages the other schools lack...the exact same advantages that give people in New Orleans and Baton Rouge the reasons why they send their kids to Rummel, Jesuit, BM, Curtis, Parkview, UHigh, Caholic, etc.
And can somebody tell me what Caddo Parish's record with football was before Evangel became the trendy destination for high school players? Are Monroe football players just BETTER than Shreveport football players or was there something institutional with Caddo Parish schools that did not allow their football programs to reach their full potential?
This post was edited on 1/25/13 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/25/13 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this seems to be in large part a rural/urban thing, and the rural schools get disproportionate representation in the vote
exactly
so a school like Winnfield gets on a dream run, gets to the Dome and gets crushed 33-3 by Curtis. Parents, Admin go home butthurt and principal starts a campaign to get JC out of 2A. Her proposal is met by others with similar butthurt from their own history and the race is on.
The way this is going, it is really a class warfare thing with some racism tossed in. If there was a split it should be North/South not public/private
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