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re: LHSAA - How would you fix it?
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:58 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 7/28/16 at 11:58 am to LSUFanHouston
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Kick out JC. Maybe Evangel.
All of these issues involve these 1-2 schools.
I don't think it can be fixed, though.
Private schools are in a tough spot here. There are too many of them to just ignore the impact they have on the LHSAA. But there is not enough of them to start their own association - and as we are seeing - just because they are a "private" school doesn't mean they agree upon anything. St Charles Catholic doesn't want to deal with JC just as much as the public schools don't want to deal with JC.
Any fix, though, has to bring the schools back together for all sports, regular season and post season. Increasing enforcement and penalties would help. Put in a multiplier for private schools. And, if you really want to get outside the box, don't require a school to play in the same class for all sports.
Stupid, just stupid. What has those schools done besides choose to make their sports programs a focal point? There is nothing inherently against the rules with that. The LHSAA would have a huge lawsuit which they would lose very quickly. Name rules those schools have broken.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 12:08 pm to GhostofJackson
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Kick out JC. Maybe Evangel.
All of these issues involve these 1-2 schools.
I don't think it can be fixed, though.
Private schools are in a tough spot here. There are too many of them to just ignore the impact they have on the LHSAA. But there is not enough of them to start their own association - and as we are seeing - just because they are a "private" school doesn't mean they agree upon anything. St Charles Catholic doesn't want to deal with JC just as much as the public schools don't want to deal with JC.
Any fix, though, has to bring the schools back together for all sports, regular season and post season. Increasing enforcement and penalties would help. Put in a multiplier for private schools. And, if you really want to get outside the box, don't require a school to play in the same class for all sports.
Stupid, just stupid. What has those schools done besides choose to make their sports programs a focal point? There is nothing inherently against the rules with that. The LHSAA would have a huge lawsuit which they would lose very quickly. Name rules those schools have broken.
JC has often been accused but never caught or sanctioned... in fact shortly after joining the Cath league..... they were reported....so all catholic league schools got checked out- for illegal practices.. JC was one of 3 following the rules....
Posted on 7/28/16 at 12:23 pm to GhostofJackson
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Not all of the education process happens when the kid is at a desk. You must have not participated in sports in school.
The question was about fixing an athletic organization. If this were just about education, the selects wouldn't have a problem with the split.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:16 pm to GhostofJackson
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Stupid, just stupid. What has those schools done besides choose to make their sports programs a focal point? There is nothing inherently against the rules with that. The LHSAA would have a huge lawsuit which they would lose very quickly. Name rules those schools have broken.
I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but many of the issues (real or imagined) public schools have, involve those two schools.
If those two schools were not in the LHSAA, a lot of these issues go away.
Does that mean those two schools are breaking the rules? I do not believe they are breaking the rules as they are written, however, I believe the wrong rules are written.
The big result with these two schools is that the percentage of boys that play football at those schools is much, much higher than the percentage of boys that play at schools the same size as them.
Curtis dresses out a football program - kids and coaches - comparable to a high 5A school. This is why putting them in the Catholic League made so much sense. Now that they are playing where their team size and structure makes sense, look at them last year.
Lost to Brother Martin
Lost to Rummel twice
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:33 pm to NikolaiJakov
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Allow ZERO financial aid for any student who participates in athletics. If they want to give scholarships so poor kids can get a Christian education, so be it, but they aren't going to be playing sports.
I dont think you are familiar with discrimination laws
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:48 pm to supatigah
If you say zero financial aid for private athletes, does that mean all public school kids that ride the bus are in violation? - since they are getting a free ride too (literally).
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If those two schools were not in the LHSAA, a lot of these issues go away.
nope... not even close
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:17 pm to choupiquesushi
what actually precipitated all of this was 20 years ago ECA in football and Reserve Christian in basketball
JC spurs a lot of envy but I have never heard an instance of anyone accusing them of cheating
JC spurs a lot of envy but I have never heard an instance of anyone accusing them of cheating
Posted on 7/28/16 at 2:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but many of the issues (real or imagined) public schools have, involve those two schools.
If those two schools were not in the LHSAA, a lot of these issues go away.
Does that mean those two schools are breaking the rules? I do not believe they are breaking the rules as they are written, however, I believe the wrong rules are written.
The big result with these two schools is that the percentage of boys that play football at those schools is much, much higher than the percentage of boys that play at schools the same size as them.
Curtis dresses out a football program - kids and coaches - comparable to a high 5A school. This is why putting them in the Catholic League made so much sense. Now that they are playing where their team size and structure makes sense, look at them last year.
Lost to Brother Martin
Lost to Rummel twice
Pick a line of logic. If they have been tamed by 5A why does it matter to you anymore? Why kick them out?
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:21 pm to MOT
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It doesn't happen everywhere does it?
I think many of the ideas being put forth are under the assumption the athletic association dictates attendance policy and that obviously isn't the case.
I don't know about everywhere, but it happens in Ouachita Parish. Monroe has one school that isn't failing at the high school level. There are failing elementary schools and middle schools as well. Due to this, they become choice schools, so you can choose to go elsewhere. Like I said, happens every single day already.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:27 pm to GhostofJackson
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Pick a line of logic. If they have been tamed by 5A why does it matter to you anymore? Why kick them out?
For the record, I'm not saying they should be kicked out.
But many people, especially public school principals who vote, believe they are a big part of the problem, and the only way to alleviate that problem is to not have them in the same playoff bracket as the public schools.
I personally believe with them in 5A, the split is no longer necessary, but obviously others feel it is.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:28 pm to choupiquesushi
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nope... not even close
OK... so... the other issue are...?
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:29 pm to LSUFanHouston
What will public school principals say if West Monroe beats Curtis and Neville beats Evangel on the same night this year? That's the Friday night slate at Battle on the Border in Shreveport. Should be two great games and any of the 4 could win, just asking what the narrative will be.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:32 pm to GFunk
All of the attendance things are not going to be issues that are fixed by the LHSAA... they are simply having to deal with the situations set up by state laws, school district policies, and failing schools - none of which have to do with athletics.
The LHSAA could say, athletically, any student that lives in a parish and attends any public school in that parish is immediately eligible. And any student that attends a school outside the school district is ineligible. That would then put the impetus on making sure kids are in the right schools on the school districts.
That leads to this question: Would the St Charles Parish school district turn a blind eye to a kid who lives in LaPlace but uses Auntie's address in Hahnville to attend HHS, if that kid is a star running back?
The LHSAA could say, athletically, any student that lives in a parish and attends any public school in that parish is immediately eligible. And any student that attends a school outside the school district is ineligible. That would then put the impetus on making sure kids are in the right schools on the school districts.
That leads to this question: Would the St Charles Parish school district turn a blind eye to a kid who lives in LaPlace but uses Auntie's address in Hahnville to attend HHS, if that kid is a star running back?
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:22 am to GFunk
Ed Daniels article doesn't reflect some of the comments made recently in this thread.
If I had my way, yes, enforcement would be beefed up.
AD's would have a vote instead of principals who are, inherently, political.
Louisiana should have four classifications, there are no truly AAAAA schools. And if it's to be a five classification state, AAAAA needs to be an elite, championship class not solely based upon enrollment.
If I had my way, yes, enforcement would be beefed up.
AD's would have a vote instead of principals who are, inherently, political.
Louisiana should have four classifications, there are no truly AAAAA schools. And if it's to be a five classification state, AAAAA needs to be an elite, championship class not solely based upon enrollment.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:35 am to JJ27
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LHSAA - How would you fix it?
What will public school principals say if West Monroe beats Curtis
JC has never beaten WM in football
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:38 am to LSUFanHouston
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nope... not even close
OK... so... the other issue are...?
many regional powers are hated by their nearest counterparts..... all across the state..
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:40 am to choupiquesushi
Kind of understandable, yet, kind of sad. HEALTHY rivalry is good for everyone. Hatred, is not.
Posted on 7/29/16 at 10:43 am to RedPop4
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Kind of understandable, yet, kind of sad. HEALTHY rivalry is good for everyone. Hatred, is not.
for instance... Church Point, Rayne and Crowley could care less.... but they all dislike Notre Dame and hint a dislike at TC and any private that takes kids they feel they should get...
everyone is too worried about their own parochial interests
Posted on 7/29/16 at 12:07 pm to choupiquesushi
Oh I know, 26-7 WM win in Hap Gaudi Classic is their only meeting. Just saying, Curtis and Evangel are the root of all things Split, yet they could both lose on the same night to public schools in 6 weeks. Kinda puts a dent in the thinking that public schools can't compete with private.
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